Ball Lightning Discussions/Anecdotes?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of ball lightning, with participants sharing anecdotal reports, skepticism about its existence, and the implications of photographic evidence. The scope includes personal experiences, theoretical considerations, and debates about the validity of claims regarding ball lightning.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant shares an anecdote about a friend's experience with what they believe to be ball lightning, seeking further discussion and evidence.
  • Another participant argues that the lack of photographic evidence suggests ball lightning does not exist, drawing parallels to other phenomena like UFOs and ghosts.
  • Some participants counter that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, emphasizing that many people may not capture fleeting events like ball lightning even with camera phones.
  • A participant mentions a modern case of a glowing ball observed in a passenger jet, suggesting that there are credible sightings of ball lightning.
  • Discussion includes references to scientific studies and claims about plasma balls created in laboratory conditions, though these are not directly linked to natural occurrences of ball lightning.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the logic used to dismiss ball lightning based on photographic evidence, arguing that the conditions for capturing such phenomena are not straightforward.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with some asserting that ball lightning does not exist due to lack of evidence, while others argue that this reasoning is flawed. There is no consensus on the existence of ball lightning, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the arguments regarding photographic evidence, including the fleeting nature of ball lightning and the historical context of camera availability. The discussion also touches on the challenges of validating anecdotal reports without substantial evidence.

  • #31
Michelle Spalding said:
Summary: Where Can I Find Discussions On Ball Lightning?

In geocities. And also in sci.physics

Hey it was a traditional topic in the first age of internet.
 
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  • #32
pinball1970 said:
The smell will be related to whatever has been exited burned or vaporised. Soil according to the paper but it could be some something Sulphur rich. If this is an actual thing that is.
I think the links posted by @PAllen were very interesting. The third reference in this article was to this paper which described one model:

John Abrahamson & James Dinniss,
Ball lightning caused by oxidation of nanoparticle networks from normal lightning strikes on soil
Nature volume 403, pages 519–521 (2000)
http://www.nature.com/articles/35000525

and the associated article Fluff balls of fire contained a photograph from 1978 claimed to be of a ball lightning.

Concerning the anecdote I posted, I also remembered that my father said nothing more dramatic happened, like any explosion or collision with other objects. If I remember correctly he said it just vanished after a while. But he told me that he got quite scared by the event, since he had not seen anything like it at all before.

As I said, I'm pretty open-minded with regards to ball lightning. There are other weird phenomena like St. Elmo's fire, and someone posted a link to a very cool video of it in this thread.

The thunderstorms are over for now here. I did not see any ball lightning. :cry:

EDIT: I read the abstract of the paper I posted a link to above, quote:
Abstract of paper said:
Observations of ball lightning have been reported for centuries, but the origin of this phenomenon remains an enigma. The ‘average’ ball lightning appears as a sphere with a diameter of 300 mm, a lifetime of about 10 s, and a luminosity similar to a 100-W lamp. It floats freely in the air, and ends either in an explosion, or by simply fading from view. It almost invariably occurs during stormy weather. Several energy sources have been proposed to explain the light, but none of these models has succeeded in explaining all of the observed characteristics.

...which made me remember that I also asked my father how bright it was, and he said it was bright, but not blindingly bright. Which at least to me seems to fit the description "luminosity similar to a 100-W lamp" in the abstract.
 
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