Ball Rotation on a Ball: Solving for Center of Mass Velocity

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a ball of mass m and radius r that rolls down a larger fixed ball of radius R without slipping. Participants are tasked with determining the center of mass velocity of the smaller ball as a function of the angle θ, while considering various forms of energy and kinematics.

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  • Participants explore energy conservation principles, questioning the correctness of energy equations and the definitions of potential energy at different heights. There are discussions about the relationship between angular velocities and the implications of rolling without slipping.

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Several participants have offered insights into the equations presented, with some suggesting corrections and clarifications regarding the definitions of potential energy and angular relationships. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of these corrections on the overall problem.

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Participants are grappling with the definitions of potential energy in relation to the position of the balls and the assumptions about the system's setup. There are also references to the need for clarity on the angular relationships as the smaller ball rolls down the larger one.

  • #31
Wily Willy said:
Also, could someone explicitly state what is meant by theta with a dot on top? I don't recall this notation.
\dot \theta is shorthand notation for the time derivative of θ (that is, \dot \theta \equiv \frac{d\theta}{dt})

More generally \dot x is defined to mean \frac{dx}{dt} where x can mean pretty much anything, but t exclusively means time. (In other words, dy/dx would not be written as \dot y unless x represents time.) I think this notation is used primarily in physics, but it is used quite a bit.

Furthermore, \ddot x\equiv \frac{d^2\theta}{dt^2}
 
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Nathanel already answerd, i erased mine
 
  • #33
Karol, you can save time/effort by using the "constraint of rolling" which is v_{cm}=R\dot \phi. That solves the problem without needing to consider \dot \theta

I think Haruspex (when talking about tangent ramps) was just trying to show you that this equation is just as true on a sphere as it is on a flat surface.
(The ball rolls dΦ, it's center of mass must move a distance RdΦ, and everything is flat in this differential limit, thus v_{cm}=R\dot \phi)
 
  • #34
Nathanael said:
Karol, you can save time/effort by using the "constraint of rolling" which is v_{cm}=R\dot \phi. That solves the problem without needing to consider \dot \theta

I think Haruspex (when talking about tangent ramps) was just trying to show you that this equation is just as true on a sphere as it is on a flat surface.
(The ball rolls dΦ, it's center of mass must move a distance RdΦ, and everything is flat in this differential limit, thus v_{cm}=R\dot \phi)
Not exactly.
The ball's mass centre is moving at ##(R+r)\dot \theta##, and it is rolling on a stationary surface, so its rotation rate is ##(R+r)\dot \theta/r##. From that you can write down the KE straight away. I mentioned a ramp because I thought it make that viewpoint more apparent.
 
  • #35
Thanks all
 

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