Ball Rotation on a Ball: Solving for Center of Mass Velocity

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The discussion focuses on calculating the center of mass velocity of a small ball of mass m and radius r as it rolls down a larger fixed ball of radius R without slipping. Key equations include the moment of inertia \( I = \frac{2}{5}mr^2 \), potential energy \( E_p = mgh \), and kinetic energy due to rotation \( E_\omega = \frac{1}{2}I\dot{\theta}^2 \). The final derived formula for the center of mass velocity is \( v_{cm}^2 = \frac{10}{7}g(R+r)(1-\cos\theta) \), confirming the relationship between angular and linear velocities during the motion.

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Wily Willy said:
Also, could someone explicitly state what is meant by theta with a dot on top? I don't recall this notation.
\dot \theta is shorthand notation for the time derivative of θ (that is, \dot \theta \equiv \frac{d\theta}{dt})

More generally \dot x is defined to mean \frac{dx}{dt} where x can mean pretty much anything, but t exclusively means time. (In other words, dy/dx would not be written as \dot y unless x represents time.) I think this notation is used primarily in physics, but it is used quite a bit.

Furthermore, \ddot x\equiv \frac{d^2\theta}{dt^2}
 
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Nathanel already answerd, i erased mine
 
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Karol, you can save time/effort by using the "constraint of rolling" which is v_{cm}=R\dot \phi. That solves the problem without needing to consider \dot \theta

I think Haruspex (when talking about tangent ramps) was just trying to show you that this equation is just as true on a sphere as it is on a flat surface.
(The ball rolls dΦ, it's center of mass must move a distance RdΦ, and everything is flat in this differential limit, thus v_{cm}=R\dot \phi)
 
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Nathanael said:
Karol, you can save time/effort by using the "constraint of rolling" which is v_{cm}=R\dot \phi. That solves the problem without needing to consider \dot \theta

I think Haruspex (when talking about tangent ramps) was just trying to show you that this equation is just as true on a sphere as it is on a flat surface.
(The ball rolls dΦ, it's center of mass must move a distance RdΦ, and everything is flat in this differential limit, thus v_{cm}=R\dot \phi)
Not exactly.
The ball's mass centre is moving at ##(R+r)\dot \theta##, and it is rolling on a stationary surface, so its rotation rate is ##(R+r)\dot \theta/r##. From that you can write down the KE straight away. I mentioned a ramp because I thought it make that viewpoint more apparent.
 
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Thanks all
 

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