Balloon Elevation: Will Wind Affect Their Flight Time?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the effects of wind on the flight time of two balloons released simultaneously, one experiencing wind and the other in still air. Participants explore the implications of wind on ascent rates, lift, and the overall trajectory of the balloons, considering both theoretical and intuitive perspectives.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that both balloons will reach 40,000 ft at the same time due to gravity and lift being constant factors.
  • Others argue that wind affects the ascent rate, suggesting that the balloon influenced by wind will take longer to reach the same altitude due to horizontal motion affecting vertical ascent.
  • A participant questions whether the longer path taken by the balloon affected by wind results in a longer travel time to the target altitude.
  • Another participant suggests that air turbulence from wind could impact the lift and vertical drag on the balloon, although they express uncertainty about the specifics.
  • One participant asserts that the shape of the balloon and the pressure differential created by wind could allow for a faster ascent, while also stating that horizontal motion does not affect ascent time if vertical velocities are the same.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether wind affects the ascent time of the balloons, with no consensus reached. Some believe wind has no impact on the time to altitude, while others contend that it does.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge various assumptions, such as the constancy of gravity and lift, but do not resolve the implications of wind on ascent rates or the effects of horizontal motion on vertical ascent.

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If you have 2 balloons made out of the same material, filled with the same type and quantity of gas, caring the exact same pay load. They are both in the same temperature and humidity air. You let them both go at the exact same time. 1 being acted on by prevailing winds that change speed and direction, and the other having no wind of any kind acting on it.

Would they both reach 40,000 ft at the exact same time? Why or why not?
 
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corvette said:
If you have 2 balloons made out of the same material, filled with the same type and quantity of gas, caring the exact same pay load. They are both in the same temperature and humidity air. You let them both go at the exact same time. 1 being acted on by prevailing winds that change speed and direction, and the other having no wind of any kind acting on it.

Would they both reach 40,000 ft at the exact same time? Why or why not?

What do you think will happen?
 
I think they will both reach the same altitude at the same time because gravity is a constant and the amount of lift is a constant.Those are the only 2 things working on the balloons.

I am in a discussion with my wife about this. She believes that the time going down range is affecting the rate of assent. Thus the balloon rising with the effects of wind will reach 40,000 ft after the balloon rising with no wind effecting it.
 
corvette said:
I think they will both reach the same altitude at the same time because gravity is a constant and the amount of lift is a constant.Those are the only 2 things working on the balloons.

I am in a discussion with my wife about this. She believes that the time going down range is affecting the rate of assent. Thus the balloon rising with the effects of wind will reach 40,000 ft after the balloon rising with no wind effecting it.

I'm no expert in aerodynamics, but my guess would be that the air turbulence created by the sideways wind will affect the "lift" of the balloon, and thus its time to 40,000 feet. But I don't know if it would add to the vertical drag of the balloon, or if it depends on the shape of the balloon how the sideways wind affects the vertical drag... My guess is that it would slow its ascent down, but that's just an intuitive guess.
 
I would guess that the wind would allow the balloon to travel up faster. Because of the balloon's shape in a gravitational field.

The top of of the balloon is less of a slope than the bottom of the balloon. So the air traveling over the top would travel faster and there would be less pressure above the balloon than below.

I can say for certain that the time going "down range" is not effecting the balloon's accent.
 
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Thinking about this...

wouldn't the trip downrange be a longer path to the 40,000ft height than the direct vertical path, therefore a longer time traveled ?

think of a vertical line of a flat lying rectangle Vs the much longer diagonal line

Dave
 
davenn said:
Thinking about this...

wouldn't the trip downrange be a longer path to the 40,000ft height than the direct vertical path, therefore a longer time traveled ?

think of a vertical line of a flat lying rectangle Vs the much longer diagonal line

Dave

No. The point is if the vertical velocities are the same, the horizontal motion makes no difference. Kind of analogous to how a dropped bulled and a horizontally-fired bullet hit the ground at the same time.
 
ok thanks :) had me pondering tho ;)

cheers
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