Bases of linearly isomorphic vector spaces

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The discussion revolves around proving that if two finite-dimensional vector spaces V and W are linearly isomorphic, then the image of a basis of V under an isomorphism T forms a basis for W. The original poster attempts to establish this relationship using properties of isomorphisms and the definitions of basis and linear independence.

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  • Participants explore the implications of the definition of a basis and the properties of isomorphisms. Questions arise about how to demonstrate that the image set under T is linearly independent and spans W. There is also discussion about the necessity of proving certain statements rather than assuming them.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing guidance on how to approach the proof. Some suggest starting with definitions and applying them directly, while others question assumptions made in the original proof attempt. There is a focus on clarifying the relationship between linear independence and the properties of the isomorphism.

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Participants note the importance of verifying definitions and the implications of linear independence in the context of isomorphic spaces. There is an acknowledgment of the need to avoid assumptions that have not been proven within the discussion.

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Finite-dimensional [itex]V[/itex] and [itex]W[/itex] are linearly isomorphic vector spaces over a field. Prove that if [itex]\{v_{1},...,v_{n}\}[/itex] is a basis for [itex]V[/itex], [itex]\{T(v_{1}),...,T(v_{n})\}[/itex] is a basis for [itex]W[/itex].

My attempt at a proof:

Let [itex]T:V\rightarrow W[/itex] be an isomorphism and [itex]\{v_{1},...,v_{n}\}[/itex] be a basis for [itex]V[/itex]. Since [itex]T[/itex] is an isomorphism, [itex]\forall v\in V,\exists T(v)\in W[/itex]. Therefore, if [itex]\{v_{1},...,v_{n}\}[/itex] spans [itex]V[/itex], [itex]\{T(v_{1}),...,T(v_{n})\}[/itex] spans [itex]W[/itex]. Since [itex]dim V=dimW[/itex], [itex]\{v_{1},...,v_{n}\}[/itex] is linearly independent, and is a basis for [itex]W[/itex].

I'm pretty sure I went wrong somewhere/claimed something I needed to prove. Any ideas where?
 
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autre said:
Therefore, if [itex]\{v_{1},...,v_{n}\}[/itex] spans [itex]V[/itex], [itex]\{T(v_{1}),...,T(v_{n})\}[/itex] spans [itex]W[/itex].

You just state this, but you never really proved it. In fact, you never used that T is an isomorphism... that given [itex]v\in V[/itex] there exists [itex]T(v)\in W[/itex] is merely a consequence of T being a function. Given [itex]w\in W[/itex], how can you go about determining the coefficients of w in terms of the T(vi)?
 
Do I use the fact that any [itex]w\in W[/itex] can be written as [itex]w=a_{1}T(v_{1})+...+a_{n}T(v_{n})[/itex] or does that only follow after I show something else?
 
autre said:
Do I use the fact that any [itex]w\in W[/itex] can be written as [itex]w=a_{1}T(v_{1})+...+a_{n}T(v_{n})[/itex]
That's part of what you're trying to prove.

I think you should start by writing down the definition of "basis" that you want to use.
 
I think you should start by writing down the definition of "basis" that you want to use.

A basis is a linearly independent spanning set. So [itex]\{v_{1},...,v_{n}\}[/itex] spans [itex]V[/itex] and is linearly independent. Does that imply that the set of all [itex]T(v)[/itex] is linearly independent since T is an isomorphism?
 
autre said:
A basis is a linearly independent spanning set.
Good definition.

autre said:
So [itex]\{v_{1},...,v_{n}\}[/itex] spans [itex]V[/itex] and is linearly independent. Does that imply that the set of all [itex]T(v)[/itex] is linearly independent since T is an isomorphism?
It does, but the question is how. You need to verify that [itex]\{Tv_1,\dots,Tv_n\}[/itex] is a linearly independent set. Can you use the definition of linearly independent (and isomorphism) to do that?
 
Can you use the definition of linearly independent (and isomorphism) to do that?

Since [itex]T[/itex] is an isomorphism, [itex]\forall v\in V[/itex] there exists only one [itex]T(v)\in W[/itex] such that [itex]v=T(v)[/itex]. Since [itex]\{v_{1},...,v_{n}\}[/itex] is linearly independent, [itex]\alpha_{1}v_{1}+...+\alpha_{n}v_{n}=0[/itex] iff [itex]\forall i,\alpha_{i}=0[/itex]. Thus [itex]T(\alpha_{1}v_{1}+...+\alpha_{n}v_{n})=T(0)[/itex] and [itex]\{T(v_{1}),...,T(v_{n})\}[/itex] is linearly independent ...am I on the right track?
 
autre said:
Since [itex]T[/itex] is an isomorphism, [itex]\forall v\in V[/itex] there exists only one [itex]T(v)\in W[/itex] such that [itex]v=T(v)[/itex].
This doesn't quite make sense, but you probably meant something different from what you said. Note that v and Tv aren't even members of the same space. If you meant that for all [itex]v\in V[/itex], there's a unique [itex]w\in W[/itex] such that [itex]Tv=w[/itex], then this is just what it means for T to be a function from V into W.

autre said:
Since [itex]\{v_{1},...,v_{n}\}[/itex] is linearly independent, [itex]\alpha_{1}v_{1}+...+\alpha_{n}v_{n}=0[/itex] iff [itex]\forall i,\alpha_{i}=0[/itex].
This is correct, but I want your first step to be to apply the definition of "linearly independent" directly to [itex]\{Tv_1,\dots,Tv_n\}[/itex] to see if the definition is satisfied.

autre said:
Thus [itex]T(\alpha_{1}v_{1}+...+\alpha_{n}v_{n})=T(0)[/itex]
You can't say something like that when you haven't even specified what the v's and a's are. It looks like you have assumed that they are such that [itex]a_1v_1+\cdots+a_nv_n=0[/itex]. So you appear to be trying to prove that [itex]\{T(v_{1}),...,T(v_{n})\}[/itex] is linearly independent by having T act only on 0. This can't work.
 
This is correct, but I want your first step to be to apply the definition of "linearly independent" directly to {Tv1,…,Tvn} to see if the definition is satisfied.

Suppose it is linearly dependent. Then, [itex]\alpha_{1}T(v_{1})+...+\alpha_{n}T(v_{n})=0[/itex] for some nonzero [itex]\alpha_{i}[/itex]. Then there exists a [itex]j\in\mathbb{N}, 1\leq j\leq n[/itex] such that [itex]\alpha_{1}T(v_{j}) =-(\alpha_{1}T(v_{1}) +...+\alpha_{j-1}T(v_{j-1}))[/itex]. Is this on the right track?
 
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That could work, but I haven't tried to do it that way. This is what I had in mind: Prove that for all [itex]a_1,\dots,a_n\in\mathbb R[/itex] such that [itex]\sum_i a_iTv_i=0[/itex], we have [itex]a_1=a_2=\cdots=a_n=0[/itex]. (Replace ℝ with ℂ if it's a vector space over ℂ).
 
  • #11
Any idea on how to set that up? I tried to show it by contradiction.
 
  • #12
Just start like this: Let [itex]a_1,\dots,a_n[/itex] be arbitrary real numbers such that [itex]\sum_i a_i Tv_i=0[/itex]. We have [tex]0=\sum_i a_i Tv_i=\cdots[/tex] Now think of something to replace the dots with, and figure out what this means.
 
  • #13
it's often easier to prove linear independence rather than "not linear dependence".

make a linear combination of the T(vj) and set it = 0.

T is linear. use this fact to get T "of something".

then use the fact that T is an isomorphism, and thus 1-1,

to show what the "something" must be.

THEN...you should have a statement involving only the vj, and these are linearly independent, so...this should say something about a certain linear combination of them, which will maybe, just maybe, tell us something about the T(vj).
 

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