Basic Conversion from Translational Motion Equation

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the equations t = sqrt(2h/g) and t = Vo*sqrt(2h/g) from standard translational motion equations, particularly in the context of studying for the MCAT. Participants explore the mathematical steps involved and the conditions under which these equations may apply.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a derivation starting from the equation h = Vo*t + 1/2g(t)^2, leading to the expression for t.
  • Another participant argues that the two equations cannot both be correct due to differing dimensions, suggesting only t = sqrt(2h/g) is valid when Vo = 0.
  • A participant challenges the mathematical validity of the last step in the derivation, stating that sqrt(a^2 - b^2) does not equal a - b.
  • Another participant proposes that the correct last step should be sqrt[(2h-2Vot)/g] = t, affirming that t = sqrt(2h/g) applies in free-fall with Vo = 0.
  • There is a suggestion that the equation t = Vo*sqrt(2h/g) is relevant for finding the range, but this is met with caution regarding its clarity and correctness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the validity of the two equations and the correctness of the mathematical steps involved. No consensus is reached on the proper derivation or the applicability of the equations.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the conditions under which the equations apply, particularly concerning the initial velocity Vo and the interpretation of the variables.

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Studying for the MCAT, and trying to figure out how t = sqrt(2h/g) and t = Vo*sqrt(2h/g) is derived from the standard translational motion equations.

h = change in h
t = change in t

thus...

h = volt + 1/2g(t)^2
h - volt = 1/2g(t)^2
(2h)/g - (2Vot)/g =t^2
sqrt(2h/g) - sqrt(2Vot)/g = t

Obviously, I don't know how to simplify it further.

Thanks.
 
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TrueBlood said:
Studying for the MCAT, and trying to figure out how t = sqrt(2h/g) and t = Vo*sqrt(2h/g) is derived from the standard translational motion equations.
Those equations cannot both be correct--they have different dimensions!

Only the first is correct, and only when Vo = 0.
 
TrueBlood said:
h = volt + 1/2g(t)^2
h - volt = 1/2g(t)^2
(2h)/g - (2Vot)/g =t^2
sqrt(2h/g) - sqrt(2Vot)/g = t
Also realize that your last step is mathematically incorrect:

[tex]\sqrt{a^2 - b^2} \ne a - b[/tex]

For example sqrt(5^2 - 3^2) = sqrt(16) = 4 ≠ 5 - 3
 
The last step, mathematically correct, would be...

sqrt[(2h-2Vot)/g] = t

and in a free-fall equation, where Vo = 0, then t = sqrt(2h/g)

I found out t = Vo*sqrt(2h/g) when you are trying to find the range (r = volt) and using t = sqrt(2h/g) when you don't have t.
Thx.
 
TrueBlood said:
The last step, mathematically correct, would be...

sqrt[(2h-2Vot)/g] = t

and in a free-fall equation, where Vo = 0, then t = sqrt(2h/g)
Good.

I found out t = Vo*sqrt(2h/g) when you are trying to find the range (r = volt) and using t = sqrt(2h/g) when you don't have t.
Careful. That equation as written makes no sense. You probably meant to use r instead of t. And t = sqrt(2h/g) would only be half the time for the full trajectory.
 

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