Basic Force: Why to take force of friction from force applied y?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a box of books being pushed across a floor with a force applied at an angle. Participants are examining the role of friction in relation to the applied force and the normal force.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are questioning why the force of friction is derived from the y component of the applied force instead of the x component. There is an exploration of the relationship between the normal force and friction.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the relationship between the normal force and the frictional force, noting that friction depends on the normal force, which acts in the y direction. The discussion is ongoing with various interpretations being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of specific coefficients of friction for different scenarios, and there is a focus on understanding the underlying physics rather than solving for specific numerical answers.

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Homework Statement


A box of books weighing 319 N is shoved across the floor by a force of 485 N exerted downward at an angle of 35^degrees below the horizontal.

a) If uk between the box and the floor is 0.57, how long does it take to move the box 4.00 m, starting from rest.

b) If uk between the box and the floor is 0.75, how long does it take to move the box 4.00 m, starting from rest?

Homework Equations


Just for this problem: Ff = (FsinΘ+W)µ (F=485)
Fnet = FcosΘ - Ff

The Attempt at a Solution


I understand how to do this problem, but why is it that you take the force of friction from the y component of the force rather than the x component of the force?
 
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Arooj said:

Homework Statement


A box of books weighing 319 N is shoved across the floor by a force of 485 N exerted downward at an angle of 35^degrees below the horizontal.

a) If uk between the box and the floor is 0.57, how long does it take to move the box 4.00 m, starting from rest.

b) If uk between the box and the floor is 0.75, how long does it take to move the box 4.00 m, starting from rest?

Homework Equations


Just for this problem: Ff = (FsinΘ+W)µ (F=485)
Fnet = FcosΘ - Ff

The Attempt at a Solution


I understand how to do this problem, but why is it that you take the force of friction from the y component of the force rather than the x component of the force?

Ff=Nμ
Find the value of N.
 
N = FsinΘ + W
N = 485(sin35) + 319
N = 597.2
 
The friction is depend on normal force which is in y direction.
The frictional force is perpendicular to normal force and it opposes the motion.
 

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