Basic questions about hydrogen and hydrogen gas

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The discussion revolves around the formation of hydrogen gas (H2) from hydrogen atoms, exploring the reasons behind their attraction to one another and how this process compares to oxygen binding. Participants delve into concepts of energy states, electron sharing, and the effects of temperature and activation energy on hydrogen bonding.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that hydrogen atoms bind together to achieve a more stable electron configuration, similar to that of helium.
  • Others suggest that the energy levels required for stability differ when considering interactions among multiple hydrogen atoms compared to isolated hydrogen atoms.
  • One participant mentions that hydrogen atoms at low temperatures do not have sufficient energy to overcome electron-electron repulsion, thus remaining as individual atoms until they collide with enough energy to form H2.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the previous claims and seeks further clarification on the relationship between hydrogen atom binding and their velocities.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms of hydrogen bonding and the role of energy levels and temperature, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without consensus.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on assumptions about energy states and interactions, and there are unresolved questions regarding the specifics of hydrogen atom behavior in different conditions.

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It's been a while since I studied chemistry.

Why are hydrogen atoms always attracted to other hydrogen atoms and then form H2 (hydrogen gas)?

What are the differences with oxygen binding to itself and the formation of H2?
 
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Put simply, it is a less energetic state for the Hydrogen atoms to bind together so that each shares an electron with the other, resulting in a full shell for both atoms. This forms a shell similar to a Helium atom, which is a very stable state. If you look on the periodic table, elements on the left side (the ones under Hydrogen) want to lose an electron to reach the Noble Gas configuration, while everything on the right, next to the noble gases, wants to gain an electron since all it takes is 1 electron for them to reach the noble gas state. Objects in the middle can go either way depending on what they bind with.
 
I think the energy level that is required for this 'stability' is different because of the fields from all the other hydrogen atoms, as opposed to a single hydrogen atom isolated in a vacuum. Am I correct about this?
 
Vectronix said:
I think the energy level that is required for this 'stability' is different because of the fields from all the other hydrogen atoms, as opposed to a single hydrogen atom isolated in a vacuum. Am I correct about this?

I don't know what you mean by this. Can you elaborate?
 
Actually, afaik, Hydrogen atoms traveling very slowly (i.e. at low temperature) are not going fast enough to 'get through' to each other. They will just float around as H atoms. It's only when they hit each other hard enough that they get past the initial electron - electron repulsion that they fall into the lower and more stable energy state of H2.

You can look upon it in the same way as you look at any chemical reaction. A certain activation energy is needed for the change to take place (e.g. you need to light the fire to start combustion).
 
Drakkith said:
I don't know what you mean by this. Can you elaborate?

Actually, if sophie is indeed correct, then you don't have to worry about what I said previously. :) I just read something last night that explains the relationship between the binding of hydrogen atoms to other hydrogen atoms and the velocity of these atoms. It helped me to understand what she said, and it makes sense. I'll think about what it means in terms of what I said later. :)
 
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