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The discussion revolves around the treatment of four-momentum in the context of general relativity, particularly how it relates to the geodesic equation and the concept of parallel transport along a path. Participants explore the implications of different parameterizations of paths for both massive and massless objects.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the four-momentum can be viewed as a tangent vector to the path of a freely moving object and questions whether its time evolution is obtained through parallel transport along that path.
  • Another participant confirms that the condition for the four-momentum to be constant aligns with the geodesic equation, indicating agreement with the initial understanding.
  • A further contribution clarifies that when the path is parameterized by proper time divided by rest mass, the tangent vector corresponds to the four-velocity, but this identification may not hold for other parameterizations.
  • A participant raises a question about massless objects, noting that their paths cannot be parameterized by proper time and inquires whether parallel transport of four-momentum will yield consistent results along an arbitrary path for both massless and massive objects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

While there is some agreement on the relationship between four-momentum and the geodesic equation, questions remain regarding the implications of different parameterizations and the treatment of massless objects. The discussion does not reach a consensus on these points.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the effects of parameterization on the identification of tangent vectors and the behavior of four-momentum for massless objects, indicating potential limitations in their understanding.

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(This could be a dumb question, but in any case I'll be happy if the answer is simple)

I understood that the path of a freely moving object in space satisfies the geodesic equation, but I'm not fully sure how precisely to deal with the four momentum of the object. Have I understood this correctly, if I think that the four momentum is a tangent vector to the path, and that the time evolution of the four momentum is obtained by parallel transport along the path?
 
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For the 4-momentum to be constant requires ( D is covariant differentation )

\frac{Dp^{\mu}}{D\tau} = m\frac{D^2x^\mu}{D\tau^2} = 0

which is the geodesic equation.

I think your conclusion is correct.
 
jostpuur said:
(This could be a dumb question, but in any case I'll be happy if the answer is simple)

I understood that the path of a freely moving object in space satisfies the geodesic equation, but I'm not fully sure how precisely to deal with the four momentum of the object. Have I understood this correctly, if I think that the four momentum is a tangent vector to the path,

when the path is parameterized by proper time divided by rest mass. If the path is parameterized by proper time, then the tangent vector is the 4-velocity of the object. If some other parameter is used (e.g., the square of the proper time for positive proper time), then the tangent vector to the path is not necessarily easily physically identified.

and that the time evolution of the four momentum is obtained by parallel transport along the path?

Yes, subject to the above.
 
I see. With massless objects the path cannot be parametrized by proper time, so there should be something else. Suppose I have some arbitrary parametrization of a path of some object whose mass could be zero or non-zero. If I somehow know correctly the four momentum at some point, will the parallel transport always give the four momentum correctly elsewhere along the path too?
 

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