Basics of Vectors -- Parallel versus Co-Planar

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of parallel and co-planar vectors, specifically focusing on expressing relationships between vectors through equations. The original poster presents a problem involving two vectors being parallel and three vectors being co-planar, seeking clarification on the correct expressions for these relationships.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the expressions for parallel and co-planar vectors, questioning the necessity of scalar multipliers in the equations. There is a discussion about whether the equation C = A + B is sufficient for describing co-planarity, and participants consider various combinations of vectors and their implications.

Discussion Status

The conversation is active, with participants providing insights and alternative perspectives on the relationships between the vectors. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of scalar multipliers and the conditions under which vectors remain co-planar or parallel. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored without a clear consensus.

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Participants are navigating the constraints of the problem as presented in a textbook, which may influence their understanding of the required expressions. The discussion also touches on the implications of vector relationships in different configurations, such as orthogonal and non-parallel vectors.

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Homework Statement


Ex. 2. Express each of the following by an equation:
(a) Two vectors A and B are parallel.
(b) Three vectors A, B and C are co-planar.

Homework Equations


C = A + B

3. The Attempt at a Solution

I understand (a) the answer being B = (alpha)*A because that is a scalar transformation, but for part (b) the answer in the end of the book is C = (alpha)*A + (beta)*B where (alpha) and (beta) are both scalar quantities. Wouldn't it still be correct to say that C = A + B without the scalar transformation. I just don't understand why the book chose to use this answer. Thank you for any help.
 
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Let ##\vec A## be the unit vector ##\hat x##.
Let ##\vec B## be the unit vector ##\hat y##.
Consider any vector ##\vec C## in the xy-plane. Is ##\vec C=\vec A+\vec B##?
 
While C = A + B does describe 3 vectors which will be coplanar, there are many other A B C combinations, where they do not form a triangle.
For example, let C = A + B then what can we say about the vector D = A + C? This vector also lies in the same plane, but can you get B from adding these (and not use scalar multipliers)?
We know that C = A + B, substitute that in, and get D = A + (A + B) = 2A + B. This is why you need the scalar multipliers. Take any two non-parallel vectors in a plane, and you can add scalar multiples of them to produce a new 'triangle' which lies in the plane and the 3rd leg lies in the same plane. I hope this helps.
Take the special case of vectors i and j, which happen to be length 1 and orthogonal. You can scale each of those and add to get any vector in the i-j plane. But your two vectors, used to build other vectors, do not have to be orthogonal for it to work (but they cannot be parallel).
 
WombatWithANuke said:
C = (alpha)*A + (beta)*B
Amusingly, that is not the answer either. If A and B are parallel then the three are necessarily coplanar, but you would only be able to write C as a linear combination of A and B if all three are parallel.

A correct answer is that there exist three scalars, a, b and c, not all zero, such that ##a\vec A+b\vec B+ c\vec C=0##.

Technically, there is the same problem with a). A better answer is, likewise, that there exist two scalars, not both zero...
 

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