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The discussion revolves around determining the basis and dimension of a vector space W within R4, specifically defined by the vectors (1, 0, 1, 0) and (1, 2, 1, 1). Participants are exploring the implications of their findings regarding linear independence and the dimensionality of the space.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss methods for establishing a basis and dimension, including the use of a homogeneous system to check linear independence. Questions arise about the validity of the basis formed and the dimensionality of the vector space.

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Some participants have provided guidance on checking linear independence and the criteria for forming a basis. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between the vectors and their representation in R4, with multiple interpretations of the problem being considered.

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There is some confusion regarding the representation of vectors in R4 and the implications of dimensionality. Participants are questioning the clarity of the problem setup and the definitions involved.

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W is a vector space inside of R4 (1 0 1 0) and (1 2 1 1)
what is the basis and dimension of W

what i did was put them into a homogenic system and eliminated whatever i could

1 1 | 0
0 2 | 0
1 1 | 0
0 1 | 0

eventually got to

1 0 | 0
0 1 | 0

is (1,0) and (0,1) my basis
and 2 my dimension??
does this mean that i have a 2 dimension vector space inside a 4 dimensional space?

is there any way to check my answers??
 
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Dell said:
W is a vector space inside of R4 (1 0 1 0) and (1 2 1 1)
This is not a clear description of the problem. Is W the subspace of R4 consisting of all linear combinations of the two vectors you showed?
Dell said:
what is the basis and dimension of W
Assuming that I have correctly interpreted your problem description, the two vectors--(1, 0, 1, 0) and (1, 2, 1, 1)--are a basis for the subspace W. These vectors are clearly linearly independent, and they span W, so they form a basis. Since there are two of them, the dimension (note spelling) is 2.
Dell said:
what i did was put them into a homogenic system and eliminated whatever i could
The work below is no help.
Dell said:
1 1 | 0
0 2 | 0
1 1 | 0
0 1 | 0

eventually got to

1 0 | 0
0 1 | 0

is (1,0) and (0,1) my basis
and 2 my dimension??
does this mean that i have a 2 dimension vector space inside a 4 dimensional space?

is there any way to check my answers??
No and yes. Any vectors in R^4 or a subspace of it have to be 4-dimensional (have 4 components), so (1,0) and (0,1) could not possibly form a basis for any subspace of R^4.
Yes, the dimension of the subspace W (if I actually understand what it is) is 2, but there is very little connection between the work you showed and this result.
 
Just a few more words,aside from what was already said:

Any time you have, say a subspace W that consists of all linear combinations of some vectors, say a,b,c etc. in R^n, then all you need to do is to pick the ones that are lin. independent, since you already know that they span your space.
 
so how do i prove that they are lin independent? by doing what i did in my 1st step , ie
1 1 | 0
0 2 | 0
1 1 | 0
0 1 | 0

eventually got to

1 0 | 0 x1=0
0 1 | 0 x2=0

??
 
Dell said:
so how do i prove that they are lin independent? by doing what i did in my 1st step , ie
1 1 | 0
0 2 | 0
1 1 | 0
0 1 | 0

eventually got to

1 0 | 0 x1=0
0 1 | 0 x2=0

??
That will work to show that the vectors are linearly independent.

With two vectors, it's easier to show that they are linearly independent by showing that neither is a multiple of the other. It's pretty obvious that no multiple of (1, 0, 1, 0) will get you to (1, 2, 1, 1). With three or more vectors, you have to do what you did.

In any case, something that always works is the definition of linear independence, namely, that the equation [itex]a_1*x_1 + a_2*x_2 + ... + a_n*x_n = 0[/itex] has only a single solution for the constants a_i.
 

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