Basis of subspace (and combinations of them)

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The discussion revolves around finding a basis for two subspaces U and V in R3 defined by specific linear equations. The original poster presents the equations and seeks clarification on the meaning of intersection and union symbols in this context, as well as guidance on identifying appropriate basis vectors for the subspaces.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the nature of the basis vectors and question the validity of using standard basis vectors for the subspaces. Some suggest using specific forms of vectors that satisfy the equations defining U and V. Others raise questions about the definitions of intersection and union in relation to the subspaces.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into how to approach finding a basis for the subspaces. Some guidance has been offered regarding the structure of potential basis vectors, and there is an exploration of the implications of the definitions of intersection and union.

Contextual Notes

There is some confusion regarding the notation used for intersection and union of the subspaces, as well as the implications of the definitions of a basis in the context of the given equations. Participants are also navigating the constraints of the problem as they relate to the dimensionality of the subspaces.

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Homework Statement



We are given the following subspaces

U := {x E R3: x1 + 2*x2 - x3 = 0}
and
V := {x E R3: x1 - 2*x2 - 2*x3 = 0}

And we need to find a basis for
(i) U
(ii) V
(iii) U n V (not an "n" but a symbol that looks like an upside-down U)
(iv) span(U u V) (not a "u" but a symbol that looks like a U)

2. The attempt at a solution

Because x is a subspace of R3 in both V and U, it seemed that for (i) and (ii) the trivial basis would simply be e1 = [1,0,0] e2 = [0,1,0] and e3 [0,0,1]

I also do not know what the U and upside-down U symbols mean, but someone guessed that "n" meant where they overlap and "u" meant the combination of both subspacesThe answers I found seem to trivial, am I missing something very obvious, and could anyone give me any suggestions to lead me in the right direction
 
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SoapyIllusion said:

Homework Statement



We are given the following subspaces

U := {x E R3: x1 + 2*x2 - x3 = 0}
and
V := {x E R3: x1 - 2*x2 - 2*x3 = 0}

And we need to find a basis for
(i) U
(ii) V
(iii) U n V (not an "n" but a symbol that looks like an upside-down U)
(iv) span(U u V) (not a "u" but a symbol that looks like a U)

2. The attempt at a solution

Because x is a subspace of R3 in both V and U, it seemed that for (i) and (ii) the trivial basis would simply be e1 = [1,0,0] e2 = [0,1,0] and e3 [0,0,1]
The basis vectors must reside within the vector space you're talking about. None of those vectors is in U or V, so they can't be part of a basis for either subspace.
I also do not know what the U and upside-down U symbols mean, but someone guessed that "n" meant where they overlap and "u" meant the combination of both subspaces
That's correct. The set U ∩ V is called the intersection of U and V. It's the collection of vectors common to both U and V. The set U ∪ V is called the union of U and V. It's the collection of vectors in U, V, or both sets.
The answers I found seem to trivial, am I missing something very obvious, and could anyone give me any suggestions to lead me in the right direction
 
You need to use the relations given in the definition of these sets to find a basis. Consider this similar example. Suppose I'm given the set
[tex] S = \{(x_1, x_2) \in \mathbb{R}^2 : x_1 = x_2\}[/tex]

I set the common value of [itex]x_1[/itex] and [itex]x_2[/itex] to the variable [itex]t[/itex] and I get

[tex] \begin{pmatrix}<br /> x_1 \\<br /> x_2<br /> \end{pmatrix}=<br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> t \\<br /> t<br /> \end{pmatrix}=<br /> t<br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 1 \\<br /> 1<br /> \end{pmatrix}[/tex]

Thus the vector (1,1) forms a basis for my subspace S. Can you do something similar for your subspaces?
 
SoapyIllusion said:

Homework Statement



We are given the following subspaces

U := {x E R3: x1 + 2*x2 - x3 = 0}
and
V := {x E R3: x1 - 2*x2 - 2*x3 = 0}

And we need to find a basis for
(i) U
(ii) V
(iii) U n V (not an "n" but a symbol that looks like an upside-down U)
(iv) span(U u V) (not a "u" but a symbol that looks like a U)

2. The attempt at a solution

Because x is a subspace of R3 in both V and U, it seemed that for (i) and (ii) the trivial basis would simply be e1 = [1,0,0] e2 = [0,1,0] and e3 [0,0,1]

I also do not know what the U and upside-down U symbols mean, but someone guessed that "n" meant where they overlap and "u" meant the combination of both subspacesThe answers I found seem to trivial, am I missing something very obvious, and could anyone give me any suggestions to lead me in the right direction

So, if x is in U then x_1 + 2 x_2 = x_3.
Ok, first, ask yourself what a basis is. Now, if e1,e2 and e3 formed a basis of U, then this would imply that the vector (1,1,1) is in U. However, 1+2*2-1=4, not 0. Thus, e1,e2,e3 do not form a basis.

So, I'm going to help you out for (i) and then try to figure it out for the rest.

(a,0,a) and (0,b,2b) form a basis for this subspace (where a and b are fixed real numbers). Why is this a basis? Well, any linear combination of these two vectors: A(a,0,a) + B(0,b,2b) = (a,b,A a + 2B b) is clearly in U. Also, if x is in U, it can be written as a linear combination of (a,0,a) and (0,b,2b). Furthermore, the two vectors are clearly independent. So, do you see how it goes? And you are correct the upside down U means intersection, that is, where they overlap, and you were also right about the U.
 
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