Beautiful Natural Oceanic Diffraction Patterns

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the observation of natural oceanic diffraction patterns, particularly focusing on images of wave interactions near islands off the Australian coast. Participants explore the causes of these patterns, including diffraction and wave superposition, and share examples of similar phenomena.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the observed pattern may be due to diffraction of waves passing through a gap between islands, while others propose it could be a result of wave superposition from different angles.
  • Some participants express agreement that the patterns resemble classic diffraction, noting the shallow water and wave behavior as they approach the gap.
  • A participant mentions the absence of obvious interference patterns despite the presence of smaller islets, suggesting that conditions for interference fringes might exist but are not currently observed.
  • Another participant shares an example of a diffraction pattern from Botany Bay, while others contribute additional examples from different locations, including a mention of interference patterns from multiple diffractions.
  • There is a discussion about the challenges of finding perfect double slit interference patterns in natural settings due to the lack of wave coherency.
  • Some participants propose specific locations, such as Pulau Pangkor in Malaysia, as potential candidates for observing double slit interference.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the patterns observed are related to diffraction, but there is no consensus on the exact mechanisms or conditions required for interference patterns. Multiple competing views and examples are presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about wave behavior and the specific conditions necessary for observing diffraction and interference patterns. Some participants note the limitations of their observations and the need for specific geographical features to study these phenomena effectively.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying wave physics, oceanography, or anyone interested in the natural patterns created by wave interactions in coastal environments.

Johnny Davens
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Hi,

I was having a flick around Google maps whilst procrastinating and came across this when I looked at some islands off the Australian coast.

I'm not 100% certain that the pattern is caused by diffraction of the waves passing through the gap between Bernier and Dorre Islands, or simply by the superposition of waves coming in from the ocean through the gap different angles, giving a rounded effect. Anyway, it's a nice image and if someone confirms it, it could make a nice slide in a classroom talk.
 
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That's the one.
 
Looks like diffraction to me. The water doesn't look as if it is approching the gap at different angles.
 
I agree, it looks like classic diffraction.

Also, see the name of the jpeg image file.
 
Simon, did you just get the picture yourself and call if diff.jpg?
 
That's right.

The picture is a screen grab from Google-Earth, which I called diff.jpg so I could find it in my picture directory. Apart from cropping and the compression, the image has not been processed (by me). I kept the notes on where GE got the image as well as the lat and long so you good folks could find it for yourself.

The water in the gap is shallow - you can see the shelving. As the deep-water waves approach the islands, they bend towards them so the waves approach the gap almost dead-on. You can also see smaller multiple diffraction around the smaller islets - though I have not seen any obvious interference in there.

Perhaps someone can find an example of interference fringes appearing in waves off the sea around islands? The conditions must exist ... you'd need a bunch of smaller islets in the gap (probably a narrower gap).
 
That is beautiful flow patterns, here one I found with clouds that I find beautiful. Hope you do to
 

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Nice - those are streamlines though.
Nature produces so much beauty it would quickly overwhelm the thread if people kept posting images. The challenge here is to find diffraction patterns in naturally occurring waves.
 
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I kept the notes on where GE got the image as well as the lat and long so you good folks could find it for yourself.
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For double slit interference, we need a harbour facing the open sea, with a narrowed harbour mouth (or two sea walls) and a rocky island slap bang in the middle of the entrance. Any candidates come to mind? :smile:
 
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Botany Bay, in eastern Australia, exhibits a good diffraction pattern in this aerial photo.
 
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here's another Australian one from just up the NSW coast from home
found this on google Earth when i was doing searches for microwave radio sites for sea path transmissions

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complete with intereference patterns from multiple diffractions

cheers
Dave
 

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Both of those 'double slit' waves are very cool. I guess it's going to be quite hard to find one that exhibits a perfect pattern due to the slight lack of coherency in this kind of wave!
 
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NascentOxygen said:
For double slit interference, we need a harbour facing the open sea, with a narrowed harbour mouth (or two sea walls) and a rocky island slap bang in the middle of the entrance. Any candidates come to mind? :smile:

Pulau Pangkor, Malaysia, might do it.
 
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PatrickPowers said:
Pulau Pangkor, Malaysia, might do it.
A tiny island? It's clouded under.
 

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