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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of free electrons in a Bose-Einstein Condensate (BEC) cloud, particularly whether they can be compressed or if they would be destroyed due to interactions with positrons. Participants explore the implications of sending electrons into a BEC and the potential for applications in quantum computing.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the premise of the original inquiry, noting that BECs are not typically associated with positrons and challenges the idea that free electrons would cause compression in a BEC.
  • Another participant, a 9th grader, expresses confusion about the concepts, referencing the stopping of photons in BECs and suggesting a parallel with free electrons.
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of citing sources and clarifies that stopping light in a BEC has not been used in quantum computing, while also questioning the initial premise regarding positrons.
  • Another participant shares their concern about an upcoming competition and seeks clarification on whether free electrons can be stored in a BEC, mentioning that electrons might lose their charge due to interactions with other electrons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; there are multiple competing views regarding the behavior of electrons in a BEC and the validity of the original claims. The discussion remains unresolved with ongoing questions and challenges to the initial assumptions.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the interactions between free electrons and BECs, particularly regarding the role of positrons and the implications for quantum computing applications. There is a lack of clarity on the foundational concepts being discussed.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to students and researchers exploring quantum mechanics, Bose-Einstein Condensates, and the behavior of electrons in various states of matter.

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What would happen if we send Free electrons in A BEC cloud? will it get destroyed because of the positrons? or will it just get compressed. please explain because i have a project that has something to do with it. i want an explanation that it is possible to send electrons in a BEC to get them compressed
 
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SaudAlt said:
What would happen if we send Free electrons in A BEC cloud? will it get destroyed because of the positrons? or will it just get compressed. please explain because i have a project that has something to do with it. i want an explanation that it is possible to send electrons in a BEC to get them compressed

This question makes no sense.

What "positrons"? Where did they come from? I don't recall any BEC gas done with positrons. And why would sending free electrons into such a gas cause "compression"?

You are asking us to explain things that seem to only occur in your mind. Where did you get such notion of BEC gas having positrons and being compressed by free electrons?

Zz.
 
i am in the 9th grade and i don't know much. i thought that since ppl nowadays are sending photons througe BEC and actually stopping them( which also compress them) in quantum computing. i thought we can do it also with free electrons. in 2009 they actually made a BEC out of photons.
 
SaudAlt said:
i am in the 9th grade and i don't know much. i thought that since ppl nowadays are sending photons througe BEC and actually stopping them( which also compress them) in quantum computing. i thought we can do it also with free electrons. in 2009 they actually made a BEC out of photons.

Where ever it is that you're getting your information from, you got it wrong.

It is an unwritten policy of this forum (if you haven't figured it out by now), that you should provide FULL citation of your sources. So when you are basing something from what you read, you MUST provide those sources. It would be a futile exercise (not to mention, a total waste of time) to discuss something only to find out that you actually understood something wrong!

No one has done quantum computing using light being stopped in a BEC. Period.

BEC out of photons is rather odd.

There is every indication here that you didn't understand your sources.

Zz.
 
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=451349 i saw it on the internet but to make u look even funnier it is also in your forum.
Light stoping :
Go tell harvard to get there sources corrected

Instead of trying to make a 15 year old look stupid try helping him ...
 
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SaudAlt said:
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=451349 i saw it on the internet but to make u look even funnier it is also in your forum.
Light stoping :
Go tell harvard to get there sources corrected

Instead of trying to make a 15 year old look stupid try helping him ...


You need to read things more carefully.

I said that none of those things have been used in any quantum computing. I know fully well about stopping light, etc. I've even sat in on one of Lene Hau's talks!

Furthermore, none of those things have any connection to what you wrote in your first post. You never answered, for example, where these "positrons" came from.

We can't help you if your starting premise is faulty. What I've been trying to establish here is what exactly is the stuff that you've understood that you're trying to build on. You, on the other hand, somehow took it the wrong way. I'm trying to get you to think and do things the way a scientist would do, i.e. look carefully at the sources, and cite them whenever one is trying to use it for something else. This "cultural practice" is one of the most valuable skills that you can learn out of this forum as well!

Zz.
 
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I am in a compition that goes by the name ISEF which is currently going on in my country only 12 ppl will be chousen to represent my country and i am freeked out because i am in the finals. so i really need help

My project is based on an application i am trying to develop for the BEC, the whole idea of the application is based on the behavior of the electrons in the BEC which i am hoping is going to work the way i want to Hopfully if not than i am scrood.

My question is : is it possible to move free electrons to the condensate and storing them in the condensate. i have read that electrons will lose there charge due to the relative impermeability to other electrons.

If this is possible please tell me why. if not also please tell me why
I am begging for help because i am dieing to win and get a scholarship :(
 

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