Bending of space and time, is it true?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of gravity as a bending of space-time, particularly in the context of Einstein's General Theory of Relativity. Participants explore the implications of mass on gravitational interactions, the nature of gravity, and whether gravity can be created or destroyed. The conversation includes theoretical considerations and thought experiments related to these ideas.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express skepticism about the idea that the Earth's mass is insufficient to prevent it from colliding with the Sun, questioning the adequacy of the theory explaining this phenomenon.
  • Others argue that the bending of space-time allows the Earth to follow an elliptical orbit rather than falling into the Sun.
  • A participant explains that freely falling particles follow inertial paths determined by initial conditions, which can lead to different trajectories, including stable orbits.
  • One participant describes gravity as a geometrical effect of mass and energy, using analogies to illustrate how mass bends space-time.
  • There is a discussion about whether gravity can be created or destroyed, with some asserting that it cannot, while others challenge this notion by introducing thought experiments involving gravitational acceleration in different scenarios.
  • Another participant references the shell theorem, explaining that gravity behaves differently inside and outside a spherically symmetric mass.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of mass and gravity, particularly regarding whether gravity can be created or destroyed. There is no consensus on these points, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some arguments rely on specific definitions and assumptions about gravity and mass, which may not be universally accepted. The discussion includes references to theoretical constructs that may not be fully explained, leaving room for interpretation.

  • #61
What about my answer?? Can I conclude that or not Drakkith?
 
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  • #62
AshUchiha said:
I see... but I was asking about the "rotational speed", and not by the a perceiver's eye, but say a machine or something which calculates it.
I have no idea what you are talking about
 
  • #63
AshUchiha said:
Rotational

Then an object with a larger radius will have a larger rotational speed* for any given angular velocity compared to an object with a smaller radius. Mass has nothing to do with it.

*Note that rotational speed usually means the same thing as angular velocity, which is revolutions per unit of time, typically rotations per second. For this post I mean the speed at which the surface at the equator is moving.
 
  • #64
Drakkith said:
Then an object with a larger radius will have a larger rotational speed* for any given angular velocity compared to an object with a smaller radius. Mass has nothing to do with it.

*Note that rotational speed usually means the same thing as angular velocity, which is revolutions per unit of time, typically rotations per second. For this post I mean the speed at which the surface at the equator is moving.

The more mass the more size the larger radius? . And that note thing you mean theta?
 
  • #65
AshUchiha said:
The more mass the more size the larger radius?

Not in general, no. A 1kg ball of lead is much smaller than a 1kg ball of aluminum.

And that note thing you mean theta?

No, I mean exactly what I said.
 
  • #66
Drakkith said:
So if I place a clock inside this shell, wait a period of time, then retrieve this clock, it should read as having less time passed than a clock left behind far away from the shell.

Yes. But the difference will be the same no matter where inside the shell you place the first clock. If spacetime were curved inside the shell, the difference in times would vary with location inside the shell.

Drakkith said:
what if I wait twice as long, according to the 2nd clock, before retrieving the 1st clock?

Then the difference will be larger; but again, it won't depend on where inside the shell you place the first clock.
 
  • #67
Okay, that's just what I thought would happen. Perhaps I worded my earlier post badly. I didn't mean to suggest that the curvature between different points inside the shell is non-zero.
 
  • #68
Drakkith said:
Not in general, no. A 1kg ball of lead is much smaller than a 1kg ball of aluminum.
No, I mean exactly what I said.

*Size? , and Angular Displacement=Theta right?
 
  • #69
AshUchiha said:
*Size? , and Angular Displacement=Theta right?

I'm sorry I can't understand what you're trying to ask. Please put more effort into your posts, as you've made this thread extremely difficult to follow.
 
  • #70
I meant I misplaced size by mass, that's why I put a "*" mark, sorry if you didn't understood. And I see I'm a starter so I will face some problems at first, but I'll try my best. Hope you can bear with my way of posting
 
  • #71
AshUchiha said:
I meant I misplaced size by mass, that's why I put a "*" mark, sorry if you didn't understood. And I see I'm a starter so I will face some problems at first, but I'll try my best. Hope you can bear with my way of posting
Just to be sure you understand, the biggest problems with your way of posting are:

(1) you make categorical statements of things being true when in fact you simply misunderstand reality. It's perfectly fine for beginners to have lots of misunderstandings. We all do that. What's not OK is to state your misunderstandings as though they were fact.
(2) You don't seem to clarify your thoughts before posting and so we have a really hard time following what you are talking about.
 
  • #72
phinds said:
Just to be sure you understand, the biggest problems with your way of posting are:(2) You don't seem to clarify your thoughts before posting and so we have a really hard time following what you are talking about.

Well, I always do that to check any imperfection in my question, but I guess I need to clarify my question to get a better answer. I see thanks
 

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