Bernoulli Equation: Compressible vs Incompressible Flows

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the applicability of Bernoulli's equation to compressible versus incompressible flows. Participants explore the theoretical foundations of the equation, its assumptions, and the conditions under which it can be applied. The conversation includes considerations of energy conservation, changes in density, and the limitations of the equation in practical scenarios.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that Bernoulli's equation is primarily valid for incompressible flows, while others argue it can also be applied to compressible flows under certain conditions, such as minimal changes in density.
  • One participant notes that Bernoulli's equation does not account for energy losses like heat transfer or friction, suggesting that its application requires caution.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the pressure term in Bernoulli's equation represents work done on a mass of fluid, which can affect both gravitational potential and kinetic energy.
  • A later reply discusses the relationship between Bernoulli's equation and Newton's laws, indicating that the equation can be derived under various flow conditions, though its practical usefulness may be limited in certain scenarios.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of Bernoulli's equation to compressible flows, with no consensus reached on the conditions under which it may be valid.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations regarding the assumptions of Bernoulli's equation, including the neglect of energy losses and the specific conditions required for its application to compressible flows.

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Hi, urgent question. Bernoulli's equation seems to be conservation of energy. I read that it's only for incompressible flows; but isn't the term involving pressure the energy due to the work done on a mass of air in compressing it?

Thanks
 
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rabbit44 said:
Hi, urgent question. Bernoulli's equation seems to be conservation of energy. I read that it's only for incompressible flows; but isn't the term involving pressure the energy due to the work done on a mass of air in compressing it?

Thanks

Bernoulli can be used for compressible flow as well.

CS
 
Yes, it can be used for compressible flows - as long as there is no significant change in density (ie: temperature and pressure). Note also that Bernoulli's equation does not account for any energy loss such as heat transfer or irreversible, frictional losses such flow through a pipe, so Bernoulli's is very basic and needs to be applied with extreme care.
 
rabbit44 said:
Hi, urgent question. Bernoulli's equation seems to be conservation of energy. I read that it's only for incompressible flows; but isn't the term involving pressure the energy due to the work done on a mass of air in compressing it?

Thanks

For incompressible fluids, the pressure term represents work done on a mass to either accelerate/decelerate it, or change it's elevation. I.e. it can change either the gravitational potential or the kinetic energy (or both).
 
Bernoulli's equation is merely a first integral of Newton's 2.law, as applied along a streamline. (In 2-D flow, the first integral of Newton's law as applied orthogonal to a streamline is covered by Crocco's theorem).

Thus, in principle, Bernoulli's "equation" (or, rather, the method used in deriving it!) is fully valid for ANY sort of flow.

However, only under very special conditions does something "useful" turn up in this particular decomposition of the equations of motion. (Mostly, for example in non-stationary flow, you get a nasty integral you can't simplify in any intelligent manner..)

When such usefulness occurs, we call it "Bernoulli's equation"..
 

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