Bernoulli's equation does not always work?

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The discussion revolves around the application of Bernoulli's equation in fluid dynamics, specifically in the context of hydraulic jumps. The original poster attempts to relate the depths of inflow and outflow using mass conservation and Bernoulli's equation, but encounters a discrepancy with the solution manual, which suggests using conservation of momentum instead.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between mass conservation and Bernoulli's equation, questioning why Bernoulli's equation does not yield the expected results in this scenario. Some participants suggest that energy dissipation during hydraulic jumps may be a factor, while others inquire about the nature of energy dissipation and its implications for the flow.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the limitations of Bernoulli's equation in the presence of energy dissipation, but no consensus has been reached on the specifics of the energy dissipation process.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted discrepancy between the original poster's findings and the solution manual, which introduces potential confusion regarding the applicability of Bernoulli's equation in this context. The discussion also touches on the transition from laminar to turbulent flow, which may affect the analysis.

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Alright so first I found a relationship between z1 (depth of inflow) and z2 (depth of outflow) using mass conservation. I found that 5 * z1 = z2 and I know this is correct because the answer key has the same relationship.

Next I decided to use bernoulli's equation to find another equation to relate z1 and z2. So using the streamline on the free surface:

P1 + 0.5 * rho * V1^2 + rho * g * z1 = P2 + 0.5 * rho * V2^2 + rho * g * z2

Since the streamline is on the free surface, P1 = P2 = Patm, so they pressures will cancel out and I am left with:

0.5 * rho * V1^2 + rho * g * z1 = 0.5 * rho * V2^2 + rho * g * z2

Plugging the numbers in, cancelling the rhos and substituting z2 = 5 * z1:

0.5 * (5)^2 + (9.81) * z1 = 0.5 * (1)^2 + 9.81 * (5 * z1)

Solving this yields z1 = 0.3058m...


HOWEVER this is not the same answer as the one given in the solution manual... The solution manual uses conservation of momentum. Why is it that bernoulli's does not work in this case?
 
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Hydraulic jumps dissipate energy. Bernoulli's equation is about conservation of energy. The two are not compatible.
 
voko said:
Hydraulic jumps dissipate energy. Bernoulli's equation is about conservation of energy. The two are not compatible.

Why and how does it dissipate energy?
 
The laminar flow is turned into turbulent; the velocity of 1 m/s is the average velocity of the flow, not the real (local) velocity anywhere of the fluid, which is much greater.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_jump
 

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