Bernoulli's principle in stagnant situations

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The discussion revolves around the application of Bernoulli's principle in situations involving stagnant flow, particularly in the context of using a Pitot tube for measuring pressure and velocity. Participants explore the relationship between Bernoulli's theorem and the continuity equation, questioning the validity of applying Bernoulli's theorem when continuity may not hold.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that continuity is essential for applying Bernoulli's theorem, particularly in the context of deriving it, and questions its application at a stagnation point where velocity is zero.
  • Another participant challenges the necessity of the continuity equation in deriving Bernoulli's equation, suggesting it can be derived from Euler's equation under certain assumptions.
  • Some participants express frustration that many fluid mechanics textbooks apply Bernoulli's theorem without addressing the continuity issue, seeking references that explain the situation more thoroughly.
  • A participant acknowledges the need for further investigation into the relationship between continuity and Bernoulli's theorem, indicating uncertainty about the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the necessity of the continuity equation for applying Bernoulli's theorem. There are competing views regarding whether continuity must be satisfied for the theorem to be valid, leading to an unresolved discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that the application of Bernoulli's theorem may be problematic at specific points in a flow where continuity does not hold, but the implications of this are not fully resolved within the discussion.

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please note in the process proving bernoulli we use the CONTINUITY equation.Consider a situation wherein a pitot tube is used to measure pressure/velocity in a steady flow(picture attached for reference).Here we use bernoulli for pressure measurement.we apply the bernoulli theorem for a streamline which has some finite velocity at one end while zero(stagnation point) at the other end.This violates continuity and hence we canot apply bernoullis theorem in the first place itself!can ayone explain the situation
PS-in almost all fluid mechanics books they just apply bernoullis directly as written,without any explanation of the above question.a name of a book explaining the situation properly would be very helpful too.
 

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have already read them.the point here is the that continuity is essential for bernoulli(atleast from the proofs that i have seen till now).there is no point applying bernoulli if there is no continuity
 
have already read them.the point here is that while proving bernoulli you use continuity in the proof(atleast the proofs which i know) and continuity is not valid here at that specific point(A) for any streamline passing through it.so you cannot use bernoulli in the first place
 
have already read them.when you prove the bernoullis theorem you require continuity in some step while proving.but there is no coninuity here for the point A.so solving the problem using bernoulli is wrong which is done widely in every book and elsewhere.so how do you do it then?
 
intuitional said:
in the process proving bernoulli we use the CONTINUITY equation.

Where do you get this? I did not remember using continuity equation while deriving bernoulli's equation.
 
Your post is interesting. I don't have answer for now, guess I have to investigate a bit.

Well, I learned bernoulli's equation from one of the "every book" you mentioned and I never questioned the use of bernoulli's equation when there is no continuity.
 
You don't need the continuity equation to derive Bernoulli's equation. It can be done directly from Euler's equation assuming the flow is inviscid, incompressible and steady. In fact, just the other day I made a post where I did just that (see this thread). So in other words, whether or not continuity is satisfied, Bernoulli's equation still makes mathematical sense.
 

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