Berry phase in the Brillouin zone

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the Berry phase, particularly its application in topological insulators and the apparent inconsistency regarding its definition for orthogonal versus non-orthogonal states. Participants explore theoretical implications and seek clarification on the definitions and contexts in which the Berry phase is applied.

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  • One participant notes that the Berry phase is typically defined for non-orthogonal states, yet in topological insulators, it is applied to orthogonal quantum states, raising questions about this inconsistency.
  • Another participant requests references to support the claims made regarding the Berry phase and its definitions.
  • A participant cites a specific book that discusses the Berry phase in the context of non-orthogonal states and then transitions to its application in calculating bulk electric polarization in topological insulators.
  • One participant argues that while comparing orbitals within a lattice cell for different k values, those orbitals are not orthogonal, which does not conflict with the orthogonality of global many-electron states.
  • This participant provides a mathematical expression to illustrate the overlap of local functions and their implications as the number of cells increases.

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Participants express differing views on the applicability of the Berry phase to orthogonal states, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the justification of this application in topological insulators.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the orthogonality of states and the definitions of the Berry phase, which may depend on specific contexts or interpretations.

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As mentioned in the literatures, the definition of the Berry phase is meaningful only for non-orthogonal states. However, in the topological insulators it is defined for quantum states of a matter which are orthogonal. How to justify this inconsistency?
 
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Of course, in the book “A Short Course on Topological Insulators” by János K. Asbóth et. al. chapter 2, introduces the Berry phase based on the relative phase of two non-orthogonal quantum states. Then, in chapter 3 (Eq. 14), introduces the bulk electric polarization as the Berry phase of the occupied band across the Brillouin zone. I appreciate any help.
 
If I remember correctly, you are comparing orbitals within one lattice cell for different k values. These orbitals are not orthogonal. This is not in conflict with the global many electron states being orthogonal. Let ##0< |\langle \phi_1| \phi_2\rangle| <1##. Then the two local functions ##\phi_{1/2}## are not orthogonal. But the overlap of the total function of N cells goes as ##|\langle \phi_1| \phi_2\rangle|^N \to 0## if N goes to infinity.
 
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