Beta decay and inverse beta decay is different?

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The discussion revolves around the differences between beta decay and inverse beta decay, particularly in the context of neutron stars and the role of neutrinos in these processes. Participants explore the mechanics of neutron decay, electron capture, and the implications of these processes in extreme astrophysical environments.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants describe beta decay as a process where a neutron decays into a proton, electron, and antineutrino, questioning the role of neutrinos in neutron stars.
  • Others mention that in neutron stars, electron degeneracy does not hold, leading to electrons combining with protons to form neutrons, raising the question of whether this process is missing a neutrino.
  • One participant clarifies that the neutrino typically escapes from the neutron star due to its weak interaction.
  • Another participant provides context about neutron stars forming during core collapse supernovae, highlighting the significant energy released in the form of neutrinos compared to light.
  • There is a distinction made between electron capture and inverse beta decay, with a note that electron capture involves an electron and proton combining to form a neutron and a neutrino.
  • One participant asserts that neutrinos and antineutrinos are not the same, challenging a previous assumption.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between beta decay and inverse beta decay, as well as the role of neutrinos in these processes. There is no consensus on the implications of these processes in neutron stars.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various processes and energy dynamics without resolving the complexities of neutrino interactions or the specific conditions under which these processes occur.

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So in beta decay I know a neutron can decay into, proton, electron and antineutrino
(Or, neutrino, since they're both the same?)
But anyhow, regardless of the neutrino, in neutron stars electron degeneracy doesn't hold and electrons combine with photons to form neutrons.
But isn't that missing a neutrino?
 
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CookieSalesman said:
So in beta decay I know a neutron can decay into, proton, electron and antineutrino
(Or, neutrino, since they're both the same?)
But anyhow, regardless of the neutrino, in neutron stars electron degeneracy doesn't hold and electrons combine with protons to form neutrons.
But isn't that missing a neutrino?
Electron capture occurs with naturally occurring nuclides on earth. It's the same process:

e- + p => n + v
 
Yes, that is missing a neutrino. The neutrino, being weakly interacting, typically escapes from the neutron star.

Neutron stars can be formed during core collapse supernovae, where a star ends its life cycle in an enormously bright explosion that typically would outshine the rest of the host galaxy. Yet only 0.01% of the energy released is released in the form of light. About 100 times as much is released in kinetic energy of the mass that is expulsed by the explosion yet this is about 1% of the total energy release. The major part of the energy release, about 99%, is in the form of neutrinos being created as the protoneutron star forms. That is, a supernova sends out 1000 times more energy in neutrinos than in light.

Footnote: The capture of an electron by a proton would typically be referred to as "electron capture". With "inverse beta decay" the process where an anti neutrino is captured and a positron emitted is usually the intended meaning. This was the reaction used in the first experimental discovery of neutrinos.
 
CookieSalesman said:
(Or, neutrino, since they're both the same?)
They are not the same.

See the previous posts for the other questions.
 

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