Beta+ Decay: Making Sense of Proton-to-Neutron Conversion

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The discussion revolves around the process of beta plus decay, specifically the conversion of a proton into a neutron and the implications of mass and charge in this process. Participants explore theoretical aspects, particle interactions, and the underlying mechanisms of decay.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how beta plus decay results in a neutron, questioning the mass implications since protons are less massive than neutrons.
  • Another participant clarifies that an isolated proton cannot decay into a neutron due to mass constraints, but a proton within a nucleus can decay if the mass of the original nucleus is greater than that of the final nucleus plus the emitted positron.
  • A third participant provides a quark-level explanation of the decay process, detailing how the transformation of an upper quark into a down quark results in the emission of a positron and the formation of a neutron.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial confusion regarding mass in beta plus decay, as different perspectives on the decay process and its implications are presented. The discussion remains unresolved with varying interpretations of the underlying mechanisms.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about mass and binding energy, as well as the specific conditions under which beta plus decay occurs. The explanations provided rely on particle physics concepts that may not be universally agreed upon.

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This has been really bugging me. Beta plus decay is when a proton emits a positron in order to convert to a neutron, thus making the element more stable. If protons are less massive than neutrons, how does that make sense? You have less mass, emit some, and end up with more? I must be missing something. Beta minus decay makes sense to me though.
 
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Indeed, an isolated proton cannot decay into a neutron because the mass of a proton is less than the mass of a neutron plus the mass of a positron.

However, a proton that is part of a nucleus can decay if the mass of the original nucleus (isotope) is greater than the mass of the final nucleus (isotope) plus the mass of a positron. The energy that is "released" (that is, appears as kinetic energy of the positron, the neutrino, and the final nucleus) comes from the difference in binding energies of the two isotopes.
 
Proton is form by 2 Upper quark, and 1 Down quark

Upper quark has +2/3 Electric charge, and Down quark have -1/3 Electric charge
so.. that's +2/3 +2/3 -1/3 is equal +3/3 or just +1 [Positive Charge]

so when 1 Proton emit a Positron that's mean 1 Upper quark has been reform into down quark by release +3/3 Charge.. and this one is what we called a Positron

so 1 Upper quark [+2/3] has been change into 1 Down quark [-1/3]
that's explain why does it's emit a Positron [-3/3] but emit into 1 particle.

after that, Neutron has 2 Down quark, and 1 Upper quark
[+2/3 -1/3 -1/3].. is equal 0.. [No charge]

It's that all.
 
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Thanks guys, really helpful. :)
 

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