Bijection, Injection, and Surjection

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concepts of bijections, injections, surjections, and isomorphisms in the context of mathematics, particularly focusing on their definitions and relationships. Participants explore these ideas through various mathematical structures, including sets, groups, rings, and vector spaces.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a bijection is not the same as an isomorphism, as isomorphisms involve preserving specific structures beyond just being bijective.
  • Others argue that a bijection can be considered an isomorphism in the context of sets.
  • A participant notes that an isomorphism is defined as a homomorphism with an inverse that is also a homomorphism, with different definitions depending on the mathematical objects involved.
  • There is a discussion about whether a bijective homomorphism qualifies as an isomorphism, with some suggesting that it does in the context of vector spaces.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the relationship between invertible homomorphisms and bijective homomorphisms, questioning if all bijective homomorphisms are invertible.
  • One participant mentions that there are bijective homomorphisms whose inverses are not homomorphisms, raising further questions about the requirements for isomorphisms.
  • Examples are provided to illustrate cases where bijective mappings do not meet the criteria for isomorphisms, particularly in topology and category theory.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the definitions and relationships between bijections, injections, surjections, and isomorphisms. Multiple competing views remain, particularly regarding the conditions under which a bijection can be considered an isomorphism.

Contextual Notes

Limitations in the discussion include varying definitions of isomorphism based on the mathematical context, as well as the potential for confusion regarding the properties of homomorphisms and their inverses.

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I was just looking at the definitions of these words, and it reminded me of some things from linear algebra. I was just wondering: Is a bijection the same as an isomorphism?
 
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funny, 'cause I was wondering what a bijection was earlier today while riding the train. I can't really follow the line of thought in the book I'm reading without a good idea of what a bijection is.
 
A mapping f:A->B is injective if it's one-to-one. But elements of B may be unmapped. f is surjective if every element of B is mapped from some a in A by f(a). f is bijective if it's surjective and injective simultaneously.

It's not an isomorphism because an isomorphism is a function between two rings that preserves the binary operations of those rings, on top of which the function is bijective.
 
Icebreaker said:
A mapping f:A->B is injective if it's one-to-one. But elements of B may be unmapped. f is surjective if every element of B is mapped from some a in A by f(a). f is bijective if it's surjective and injective simultaneously.
It's not an isomorphism because an isomorphism is a function between two rings that preserves the binary operations of those rings, on top of which the function is bijective.

I think that an isomorphism can preserve any structure, so an isomorphism between groups preserves the group operation, isomorphisms between rings preserves ring operations, isomorphisms between vector spaces preserves scalar multiplication and vector addition, etc...

I could be wrong though.
 
As the others have mentioned, the definition of "isomorphism" depends on the objects you're manipulating. Incidentally, a bijection is an isomorphism of sets.

An isomorphism is defined to be a homomorphism with an inverse that is also a homomorphism.

A homomorphism of sets is just a function.
A homomorphism of topological spaces is just a continuous function.
A homomorphism of vector spaces is a linear transformation.
 
So would a bijective homomorphism be an isomorphism? I was taught (working with vector spaces) that a linear bijection is an isomorphism. Are these okay?
 
You're not too far off, tokomak; strictly speaking an *invertible* homomorphism is an isomorphism, but if it helps you can use the bijective idea instead as it will suffice for most things you'll meet in undergraduate mathematics.
 
matt grime said:
You're not too far off, tokomak; strictly speaking an *invertible* homomorphism is an isomorphism, but if it helps you can use the bijective idea instead as it will suffice for most things you'll meet in undergraduate mathematics.

What's the difference? Are there bijective homomorphisms which are not invertible?
 
No, but there are invertible homomorphisms which are not bijective.
 
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Don't forget the bijective homomorphisms whose inverses aren't homomorphisms!
 
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Hurkyl said:
Don't forget the bijective homomorphisms whose inverses aren't homomorphisms!

Well, for a mapping to be an isomorphism, is it required that it's inverse be a homomorphism?
 
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No, but there are invertible homomorphisms which are not bijective.

I could've sworn that a function (homomorphism or not) was invertible iff it was bijective.
 
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Well, for a mapping to be an isomorphism, is it required that it's inverse be a homomorphism?
Yes! In some cases, the inverse is automatically a homomorphism, but not in all. For example, consider the identity map \bar{\mathbb{R}} \rightarrow \mathbb{R} where I am using \bar{\mathbb{R}} to denote the discrete topology. This is clearly an invertible map, but it is not a homeomorphism. (Which is what we call isomorphisms when doing topology)
 
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Hurkyl said:
Don't forget the bijective homomorphisms whose inverses aren't homomorphisms!

That does make more sense, looking up the catergory theory definition of an isomorphism, a morphism isn't an isomorphism unless it is invertible and it's inverse is a morphism.

Still, the way that I informally think about homomorphisms, it is hard to imagine a bijective homomorphism whose inverse is not also a homomorphism. I'd guess that this is probably because in all the catergories which form my view of isomorphisms all bijective homomorphisms are isomorphisms.

Can you give me an example of a catergory with bijective homomorphisms which are not isomorphisms?
 
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For jcsd:

Hurkyl just did: the identity mapping from any set with the discrete topology to itself with some other topology.

The map of differential manifolds from [0,1] to itself x-->2^2 is not invertible in the space of differential manifolds with diffeomorphisms (the inverse has no tangent at 0).

For Muzza: There are also plenty of isomorphisms in categories where it does not even make sense to start talking about bijections since the morphisms in no meaningful way act on elements of a set: morphisms are just arrows, they do not have to be maps on any underlying sets. This is one distinction between category theory and set theory.
 

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