Biot-Savart Law: Magnetic Fields on an equilateral triangle

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The problem involves calculating the magnetic field at the top vertex of an equilateral triangle due to two long straight wires located at the lower corners, each carrying a current. The discussion focuses on two scenarios regarding the direction of the currents in the wires.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of the physical setup of the triangle and the wires, questioning the effect of the wires on the point of interest. There is confusion regarding the integration boundaries and how to incorporate the contributions from both wires into the magnetic field calculation.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided clarifications about the physical arrangement of the wires and the point of interest, suggesting that the triangle is not a physical object but a geometric representation. Guidance has been offered regarding the use of the Biot-Savart law and the need to consider the magnetic fields produced by each wire separately.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the assumptions about the geometry of the problem and the integration process in applying the Biot-Savart law. Participants are exploring how to correctly set up the problem without having a complete understanding of the interactions involved.

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Homework Statement



Two long straight wires sit at the lower corners of an equilateral triangle and carry current I. Find the magnitude and direction of the B field at the top vertex of the triangle for the case where:

a) the current in both lower wires flows out of the page
b) the current in the left wire flows out of the page, the current of the right wire flows into the page.


Homework Equations



dB=(μ_o Idlsinθ)/(4πr^2 ) for the magnetic field at a point P in space


The Attempt at a Solution



First, I don't really know what effect being physically connected to the current-bearing wires has on P. Assuming it's negligible, though, then working with just one wire

r= length of triangle side from P to current-bearing wire
R= distance directly from P to the wire?

B= (u_o*I/4π) integral[dlsinθ/r^2]

dl= R(csc^2θdθ = r^2dθ/R

B= (u_o*I/4πR) [int from θ=0 to π] sinθdθ = -(u_o*I/4πR)cosθ evaluated from 0 to π

This is based mostly around an example for another problem, but I think most of it applies... However I am confused on the integral boundaries (if it's an equilateral triangle, shouldn't θ be fixed at 60?) and am unsure how how incorporate the second wire. Help, please!
 
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I'm not sure if you have a correct picture of what's going on here in your head, because P is not connected to the current-bearing wires. Imagine an equilateral triangle. Now, the two lower VERTICES have wires passing through them perpendicular to the plane of the page with directions given in a) and b). This should help to simplify the problem into a point experiencing a force due to two magnetic fields from two wires.
 
Okay, yeah, you're right - for some reason I thought that the "equilateral triangle" was physical, when it's not... but I'm still confused about what to do with the two separate wires.
 
alovesong said:

Homework Equations



dB=(μ_o Idlsinθ)/(4πr^2 ) for the magnetic field at a point P in space

Well you're going to need to know how to calculate the magnetic field due to the wires, which it seems you need to do via biot-savart.
The biot-savart equation, in its differential form, is actually this:
dB=\frac{\mu_{o}IdLx\hat{r}}{4 \pi r^{2}}
Where \hat{r} is the unit vector in the direction of the point. Now, think about what the theta from the cross product represents, and you should be able to develop the general form for magnetic field a distance r away from a charge carrying wire. Hint: What is constant and what is changing?
 

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