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The discussion revolves around the concept of entropy in thermodynamics, specifically in the context of energy conversion between forms, including matter. Participants explore whether entropy is conserved during these conversions and the implications of energy efficiency in these processes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the notion of "energy with the maximum energy" and points out that energy conversions are not 100% efficient, leading to energy loss during these processes.
  • Another participant emphasizes the conservation of energy and mass as fundamental principles, suggesting that the idea of destroying matter or energy is fundamentally flawed.
  • A later reply clarifies that the original poster likely meant "energy available for work," asserting that overall entropy will increase during conversions, with some energy being wasted.
  • There is a reiteration of the idea that energy/mass conservation is a basic principle of physics, with a suggestion that the original poster's phrasing was misleading.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the interpretation of energy conversions and the implications for entropy. While some agree on the principles of conservation, there is no consensus on the original question about entropy and energy conversion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about energy efficiency and the definitions of energy types, which remain unresolved. The phrasing of concepts also appears to contribute to misunderstandings among participants.

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Okay, you know how the maximum entropy can only stay the same or increase given time. I am talking about entropy in the sense of heat (Thermodynamics) where its measured as the amount of joules that actually do work.

What if energy with maximum energy is converted into matter and then converted back to energy? Would the entropy be conserved, or will it dissipate? Thanks!
 
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What is "energy with the maximum energy"?

Every time we convert one kind of energy to another, or to mass, and then back again the conversion is not 100% efficient. So during every conversion energy is lost.
 
Bobbywhy said:
What is "energy with the maximum energy"?

Every time we convert one kind of energy to another, or to mass, and then back again the conversion is not 100% efficient. So during every conversion energy is lost.

What are you talking about? Energy/mass is ALWAYS conserved no matter what happens. Thats one the basic principles of all physics. I would bet you would win the Nobel Prize if you could figure out how to destroy matter or energy.
 
zeromodz said:
What are you talking about? Energy/mass is ALWAYS conserved no matter what happens. Thats one the basic principles of all physics. I would bet you would win the Nobel Prize if you could figure out how to destroy matter or energy.

I'm pretty sure Bobbywhy means energy available for work. After the conversion overall entropy will have increased, some energy must be wasted. This is pretty much why we can't have a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion" .
 
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adaptation said:
I'm pretty sure Bobbywhy means energy available for work. After the conversion overall entropy will have increased, some energy must be wasted. This is pretty much why we can't have a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion" .

Oh, sorry I see now. Its just the way he said it sounded wrong. Okay thanks.
 
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