Black body, angle of incidence

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The discussion revolves around the absorption of power by a black body when exposed to sunlight at an angle of incidence, specifically examining the implications of this angle on the absorbed power. The scope includes theoretical reasoning and experimental observations related to the properties of black bodies and their interaction with electromagnetic radiation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the solution to an exercise that states the absorbed power of a black body at a ##30^\circ## angle of incidence is ##P=P_0\cos(30^\circ)##, suggesting that a black body should absorb all power regardless of angle.
  • Another participant provides an analogy involving a sheet of paper to illustrate how tilting the surface affects the distribution of light and thus the power absorbed, noting that the same amount of light is spread over a larger area when tilted.
  • A participant shares their experimental observation that tilting the paper makes it appear darker, supporting the idea that the power per area decreases as the angle of incidence increases.
  • One participant connects the discussion to seasonal temperature differences, explaining how the angle of sunlight affects solar radiation per square meter, particularly in relation to the tilt of the Earth's axis.
  • It is noted that while black bodies absorb all radiation at any angle, the cosine behavior observed is due to the projected area, contrasting with non-black bodies that may reflect radiation differently based on angle.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the angle of incidence for black bodies, with some emphasizing the ideal absorption characteristics of black bodies while others highlight the geometric effects of angle on power absorption. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the interpretation of the exercise solution.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the ideal behavior of black bodies and the effects of angle on power absorption, which may depend on specific definitions and contexts. The relationship between angle and absorbed power is not fully resolved, and participants explore different perspectives without reaching consensus.

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I'm trying to understand the solution to an exercise.
The solution claims that that the absorbed power of a black body from sunlight with an angle of incidence of ##30^\circ## is
##P=P_0\cos(30^\circ)##
The reasoning here being to take the component orthogonal to the surface.

However what puzzles me is that wikipedia article on black body https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_body
says that "A black body is an idealized physical body that absorbs all incident electromagnetic radiation, regardless of frequency or angle of incidence."

Shouldn't this mean that all the power should be absorbed regardless of the angle of incidence?
 
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Imagine holding a sheet of paper flat on a table, absorbing some amount of power from a lightbulb directly overhead. What happens to the total power falling on the sheet if you tip it away from horizontal?
 
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I actually tried to do that experiment now! It's hard to tell with only the eyes and with other light sources around but the paper does indeed seem to get darker.

So if we consider a small portion of the light what happens when we tilt the paper is that the same amount of light is distributed over a larger surface. So if the light enter with angle ##\theta## the area of our small portion of light is distributed over ##A=A_0/ \cos \theta## and then the power per area is ##P = P_0/A = P_0 \cos \theta / A_0##. Thanks!
 
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Experimental test - nice.

On a large scale this is why winter is colder than summer. In northern hemisphere winter the north pole points away from the sun, so the sun is lower in the sky at noon than in summer (when the north pole is tilted towards the sun). The more oblique angle means less solar radiation per square meter of ground, which makes it colder.

The special thing about black bodies is that they absorb all the radiation falling on them at any angle. The cosine behaviour comes from the projected area as you've seen. Non-black bodies reflect some fraction of the radiation, and the fraction may vary at different angles, so their behaviour may vary from the cosine.
 
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