Block down ramp colliding with spring

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The problem involves a block sliding down an inclined plane and colliding with a spring. The block's mass, the distance to the spring, the spring constant, and the angle of inclination are provided. The goal is to determine the maximum compression of the spring.

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  • Participants discuss energy conservation principles, specifically relating gravitational potential energy to spring potential energy. There are attempts to set up equations incorporating the distance the block falls and the compression of the spring. Some participants express uncertainty about how to properly account for the components of motion and the setup of equations.

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Several approaches have been proposed, including the use of energy conservation and the setup of equations involving gravitational potential energy and spring potential energy. Participants are actively questioning how to incorporate the distance the spring compresses into their calculations. There is no explicit consensus on the correct approach yet, but guidance has been offered regarding the setup of equations.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of the problem, including the need to account for both vertical and horizontal components of motion. There is a mention of potential errors in previous calculations, indicating that assumptions about the setup may need to be revisited.

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A 3.2-kg block is released 34m from a massless spring with force constant 178N/m that is fixed along a frictionless plane inclined at an angle of 27° above the horizontal. Find the maximum compression of the spring.

This is what I have tried so far.
equation (1) (1/2 mv^2) = (1/2 kx^2)

equation (2) (1/2 mv^2)=d*mg(sin theta)

i used equation (2) to solve for v.
then using that value of v i solved (1)

my answer for x=2.333 meters, however that is wrong
 
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In calculating the gravitational PE, don't forget to include the distance the block falls in compressing the spring a distance X.
 
ok, i think i understand the concept of that, but I'm not sure how I would set that up in equation form. Because gravity works in the y-component, would i have to use 2 equations. 1 to include for the y-distance the spring compresses and another to solve for the total compression in the sin (theta) component of the spring? If that was the case then I don't know how to set those up because i am trying to solve for maximum compression and in the first equation i woul dneed to know that.
 
Think of it this way: How far does the block slide? d = 34m + x. (x = how far the spring compresses.) Use energy conservation: Intial energy (gravitational PE) = final energy (spring PE). You'll get a quadratic equation.

Hint: measure gravitational PE from the lowest point.
 
i set up the problem like this
U=mg(h+x sin (theta))
Uspring=1/2 k x^2

so mg(h+x sin (theta)) = 1/2 kx^2?

solving for x, x1=1.1331, x2=-1.0965
those are both wrong.
 
Ugrav = mgd sin(theta), where d = 34m +x
 

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