Block resting on slop with friction - statics

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a block of mass m resting on a 20° slope, connected via a string to a hanging block of mass m2 = 2.0 kg. The coefficients of static and kinetic friction are given, and the objective is to determine the minimum mass m that will stick without slipping.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of tension in the string and the normal force acting on the block. There is confusion regarding the correct expression for the normal force and the components of gravitational force acting on the block on the incline.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and corrections regarding the expressions used for the normal force and the components of weight. There is a focus on clarifying the forces acting on the block and ensuring the correct approach to the problem is being followed.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating through the assumptions related to the forces acting on the block, particularly in relation to the angle of the slope and the definitions of normal and frictional forces. There is an indication that the original poster may have misunderstood the components of the forces involved.

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Homework Statement


a block of mass m resting on a 20° slope. The block has coefficients of friction µs = 0.80 and µk = 0.49 with the surface. It is connected via a massless string over a massless, frictionless pulley to a hanging block of mass m2 = 2.0 kg.

What is the minimum mass m that will stick and not slip?

Homework Equations



Newtons second law sum of the forces = mass * acceleration

The Attempt at a Solution



I used the hanging block to find the tension to be equal to 9.8*(2) = 19.6 N

With that found I found that n = mgSin(20) and T = µs * mgSin(20)

So 19.6 = .8*m 9.8Sin(20) and m = 7.309 kg

The online homework says this is incorrect and I have no idea of any other way to go about this problem any help is appreciated.

Thanks
 
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y3ahright said:
I used the hanging block to find the tension to be equal to 9.8*(2) = 19.6 N
Good.

With that found I found that n = mgSin(20) and T = µs * mgSin(20)
That's an incorrect expression for the normal force (wrong component of weight). And I assume you meant friction force, not T (for tension).

Hint: Three forces act on the block parallel to the incline.
 


Doc Al said:
Good.


That's an incorrect expression for the normal force (wrong component of weight).

I don't get what you mean by wrong component of weight, when i draw my FBD i have normal force going up and mg pointing down and

n - mg = 0 so n = mg but because its the 20 degree slope its n = mgSin20 ?
 


y3ahright said:
I don't get what you mean by wrong component of weight, when i draw my FBD i have normal force going up and mg pointing down and
While mg points down, the normal force doesn't point up--it's perpendicular to the surface, so it's at a angle.

n - mg = 0 so n = mg but because its the 20 degree slope its n = mgSin20 ?
It's not true that n = mg. To find the normal force, consider force components perpendicular to the surface--they must add to zero. What's the component of gravity perpendicular to the surface.
 

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