Blu-Ray Disc: Shorter Wavelength, Bigger Storage?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the relationship between laser wavelength and data storage capacity in Blu-ray discs compared to CDs and DVDs. Participants explore the technical aspects of how shorter wavelengths can affect the size of data bits and the implications for storage space.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants explain that shorter wavelengths lead to smaller laser spot sizes on the disc, allowing for more data to be stored in the same physical space.
  • One participant uses an analogy comparing data storage to fitting text on a sheet of paper, suggesting that reducing the size of data bits enables more information to be recorded.
  • There is a discussion about the color of the lasers used in CD and Blu-ray players, with some participants asserting that CDs use red lasers while Blu-ray discs use blue lasers.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the location of the laser, with participants noting that the laser is produced by the player and not located within the disc itself.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the basic principle that shorter wavelengths allow for smaller data bits, but there is some confusion regarding the specifics of laser colors and their operation in different players. The discussion remains somewhat unresolved regarding the precise mechanics of laser operation and the implications for data storage.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the operation of lasers in CD and Blu-ray players are not fully explored, and there are varying interpretations of how the wavelength affects data storage capacity.

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blu ray disc has a shorter wavelength than a red laser (650nm), but how does having shorter wavelength effect storage space? answer in laypersons terms.
 
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If you imagine the laser beam as a thin cylinder that has a small radius r , then this radius r depends on the wavelength of the laser. The smaller the wavelength the smaller the radius r. And the smaller the radius r is, the smaller is the spot that the beam leaves on the disc when we do recording of data (the laser beam switches between on to record a 1 bit and off to record a 0 bit, actually it is high power/intensity for the 1bit and low power for the 0 bit). The smaller that spot is, this means that the smaller one bit of data is, so we can put more bits on the same disc, so more data.
 
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So you mean that inside the CD player, there is a miniature laser beam? but if there is a laser beam inside the cd player then is this laser red or blue and how does blu ray have blue laser? So is the laser inside the disc? or is it in the cd player?
 
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If you imagine the laser beam as a thin cylinder that has a small radius r , then this radius r depends on the wavelength of the laser. The smaller the wavelength the smaller the radius r. And the smaller the radius r is, the smaller is the spot that the beam leaves on the disc when we do recording of data (the laser beam switches between on to record a 1 bit and off to record a 0 bit, actually it is high power/intensity for the 1bit and low power for the 0 bit). The smaller that spot is, this means that the smaller one bit of data is, so we can put more bits on the same disc, so more data.

So can we use this analogy?

If you've ever had to squeeze a certain amount of text on a single sheet of paper (maybe to make a poster) and found it difficult to get everything on, you'll know there's a simple solution: you just make your words a bit smaller (lower the font size). The same idea works when you're writing computer data on discs with laser beams. You can store more on a DVD than a CD by using a laser beam that "writes smaller". And to read or write a Blu-ray disc, you use a laser to write even smaller still.
 
I think i know somewhat what happens but correct me if i m wrong. the cd drive shins a laser that is red in color and the blu ray disc reflects a blue laser beam. So originally the cd player shines a red beam of laser but blue beam is reflected from the blu ray disc
 
avito009 said:
So you mean that inside the CD player, there is a miniature laser beam? but if there is a laser beam inside the cd player then is this laser red or blue and how does blu ray have blue laser? So is the laser inside the disc? or is it in the cd player?

The cd player/recorder has electronics and focus lens that produce and focus a red laser beam . The Blue-Ray player/recorder has electronics and lens that produce and focus a blue laser beam. The beam is produced by the player/recorder and when we choose to play the disc, the beam is produced with low power and is reflected by the surface of the disc. When we choose to record the disc, the beam is produced with high power and can "burn" the surface of the disc at tiny spots whose radius depend on the wavelength of the beam, the radius of the spot is smaller for blue beams and larger for red beams.

avito009 said:
So can we use this analogy?

If you've ever had to squeeze a certain amount of text on a single sheet of paper (maybe to make a poster) and found it difficult to get everything on, you'll know there's a simple solution: you just make your words a bit smaller (lower the font size). The same idea works when you're writing computer data on discs with laser beams. You can store more on a DVD than a CD by using a laser beam that "writes smaller". And to read or write a Blu-ray disc, you use a laser to write even smaller still.
yes that is exactly the analogy.
 

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