Bob's Relativistic Velocity Addition: 0.9c for Alice & Charlie

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relativistic velocity addition as it pertains to two individuals, Alice and Charlie, being shot away from a stationary observer, Bob, at speeds of 0.9c in opposite directions. Participants explore the implications of these velocities on the perceptions of speed between Alice and Charlie, as well as the application of the velocity addition formula in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Bob describes his scenario where he shoots Alice and Charlie at 0.9c in opposite directions and questions whether they would see each other receding at 1.8c.
  • One participant confirms that Bob's understanding is correct, implying that Alice and Charlie would not see each other traveling at 1.8c due to relativistic effects.
  • A reference to the velocity addition formula is provided, indicating how to calculate the speed observed by either Alice or Charlie relative to each other.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the scenario can be modified to allow Bob to see Alice and Charlie pass each other, suggesting that the observation does not affect the underlying physics.
  • It is noted that the velocity transformation formula can be used to determine how Alice and Charlie would measure each other's speeds if they consider themselves at rest.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the application of the relativistic velocity addition formula, but there are nuances in how Bob's observations and the perceptions of Alice and Charlie are discussed. The discussion remains somewhat unresolved regarding the implications of observation versus calculation.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the reference frames of Bob, Alice, and Charlie, and the implications of relativistic effects on their perceived velocities. There are also unresolved aspects regarding the nature of observation in relativistic contexts.

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My name is Bob. I'm floating in deep space and I have these two powerful cannons that shoot my friends Alice and Charlie in opposite directions to me, one to the left and one to the right. I shoot each out at 0.9c. As I look to the left, I see that Alice is flying away from me at 0.9c. Then I turn to the right and see Charlie is also flying away from me at 0.9c. So I'm feeling pretty secure because I'm thinking, well, since I can only look at one at a time, nobody here is traveling faster than c. But then I think, well, Alice and Charlie are probably looking at each other here, and they must see themselves receding from each other at 1.8c. But then I'm thinking that there's some relativistic velocity addition thing going on between Alice and Charlie that I'm not privy too whereby they see themselves as traveling at less than c relative to each other.

Do I have this correct? Can I shoot out my friends out at 0.9 c relative to each other in opposite directions and see it this way without them seeing it this way?
 
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DiracPool said:
Can I shoot out my friends out at 0.9 c relative to each other in opposite directions and see it this way without them seeing it this way?
Yes.
 
Friends who shoot friends aren't good friends.
Anyway, just use that equation, and they'll never be superluminal.
 
It doesn't matter if you can see them both at the same time or not; it's easy to modify your scenario so that you see them fly past each other. In fact it has little to do with what you or they literally see.
Apart of that, yes you use the velocity transformation formula to calculate how each would measure the speed of the other if they set up a standard reference system in which they themselves are considered to be in rest.
 

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