Predicting Boiling Points of Chemicals: Is There a Theory?

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The discussion centers on the complexities of predicting boiling points (Tb) of chemicals, highlighting that there is no universally accepted theory for this prediction. Factors influencing boiling points include functional groups, molecular compacity, formula weight, and polarity. The conversation emphasizes that boiling points are determined by intermolecular attractions and various physical properties of substances. Additionally, the distribution of clusters escaping from liquids during boiling is influenced by intermolecular potentials, with specific examples provided for helium and water.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of functional groups in organic chemistry
  • Knowledge of intermolecular forces, including van der Waals bonds
  • Familiarity with molecular weight and its effects on physical properties
  • Basic concepts of liquid dynamics and phase transitions
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  • Research ab initio calculations for predicting boiling points and vapor pressures
  • Explore the role of molecular compacity in boiling point determination
  • Study the effects of chemical potential on boiling point in solutions
  • Investigate population distributions of cluster sizes in various liquids
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Chemists, chemical engineers, and students in introductory chemistry or physics who are interested in the thermodynamic properties of substances and the factors affecting boiling points.

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Hi, does anybody know how to predict the boiling points of chemicals? Is there is a generally accepted theory or model to explain Tb? Thanks.
 
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Short answer? No.

There are special cases, homologous series, well characterized functional group effects, and a couple others that escape me at the moment, in which known boiling points for members of a series allow reasonable estimates for remaining unmeasured members.

ab initio calculation of a boiling point or vapor pressure? Do it, and you've got your Nobel sewed up tight.
 
depends on a lot of things. most questions will focus on a particular aspect; like bystander has said, like functional groups, the compacity of the molecule, the formula weight, the polarity, it depends on a lot of factors...
 
In short the boiling point of a substance is set by the attraction it applies upon other particles around it.

Functional groups might cause the vanderwaals bonds to be tighter because of unevenly spread charge. Mass is important too because the amount of mass a particle has decides how much gravity it exerts on other particles and sterical effects such as entanglement (not the QM variaty but just plain old hydrocarbons wrapping around each other ;)).

All in all many many such factors must be included in the calculation when you want to calculate its boiling point.
 
the chemical potential of a solution also plays a role in determining the boiling point.
 
Thank all of you.. I am not doing calculation work. my interest is largely in liquid dynamics. one more question, do you happen to know that, upon boiling, roughly, how broad the distribution of the clusters which escapes from liquids might be? I wonder if single molecule is the only form.
 
wangasu said:
(snip) I wonder if single molecule is the only form.


Only for molecules taking introductory chemistry or physics. Population distributions of cluster sizes are again going to depend upon intermolecular potentials. Helium? Not a whole lot of dimers, even fewer trimers, ... Water? Lots of dimers and higher order clustering. Even numbers preferred over odd? Or vice versa? Certainly --- depends on the substance.
 

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