Bonus (Unexpected) solution to lagrange equation?

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The discussion revolves around the application of Lagrange equations in a specific case where the variables x, y, and z are considered to be distinct. Participants are examining the implications of certain mathematical manipulations and constraints within this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are exploring the validity of a proposed solution involving the manipulation of equations and constraints. Questions arise regarding the appropriateness of mixing variables λ and μ, as well as the implications of assuming μ = -1 on the consistency of the equations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants questioning the relationships between the variables and the assumptions made in the problem setup. Some guidance has been offered regarding the implications of certain values, but no consensus has been reached on the overall approach or solution.

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There is a focus on the conditions under which the variables x, y, and z can be equal or distinct, and how this affects the resulting equations. The constraints and definitions being used are under scrutiny, particularly regarding the treatment of λ and μ.

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Homework Statement



The lagrange equations are obtained as in the picture. I am only showing the final part of the solution, where they consider the final case of x≠y≠z.

Homework Equations



The equation at the second paragraph is obtained by subtracting: (5.34 - 5.35).

The final equations are obtained by dividing 5.37 by (x-y) throughout, same for the other 2. (Which is ok, since x - y ≠ 0)

The Attempt at a Solution



I understand their method, but why can't I just do this:

(5.34) + (5.35) + (5.36)

3(x2 + y2 + z2) + 2λ(x + y + z) + 3μ = 0

Using the constraints,

3(1) + 0 + 3λ = 0

λ = -1

Not sure if this is a appropriate solution..
 

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unscientific said:

Homework Statement



The lagrange equations are obtained as in the picture. I am only showing the final part of the solution, where they consider the final case of x≠y≠z.

Homework Equations



The equation at the second paragraph is obtained by subtracting: (5.34 - 5.35).

The final equations are obtained by dividing 5.37 by (x-y) throughout, same for the other 2. (Which is ok, since x - y ≠ 0)

The Attempt at a Solution



I understand their method, but why can't I just do this:

(5.34) + (5.35) + (5.36)

3(x2 + y2 + z2) + 2λ(x + y + z) + 3μ = 0

Using the constraints,

3(1) + 0 + 3λ = 0

[STRIKE]λ = -1[/STRIKE]

Not sure if this is a appropriate solution..

You mixed lambda with mu. μ=-1.

ehild
 
ehild said:
You mixed lambda with mu. μ=-1.

ehild

I see..is it possible to prove that μ=-1 leads to the equations being inconsistent?
 
unscientific said:
I see..is it possible to prove that μ=-1 leads to the equations being inconsistent?

No, μ=-1 does not matter in the argument which proves that x,y,z can not be all different.

Two of them can be equal and in this case, you would use μ=-1 to get λ and the possible values of x,y,z.

ehild
 

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