Book recommendations -- layman's physics without the philosophy?

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The discussion revolves around the search for layman's physics books that focus on detailed explanations without philosophical or experiential analogies, particularly in the context of relativity and spacetime. Participants express frustration with common approaches that incorporate human consciousness and experience into scientific concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses frustration with layman's texts that use human experience as a basis for explaining complex concepts like time and space, preferring a more straightforward, detail-oriented approach.
  • Another participant counters that human consciousness is integral to understanding physics, suggesting that our experiences shape our comprehension of the universe.
  • A participant argues that a true layman's book would require some mathematical content, as math is essential to physics, while noting that special relativity can be understood with high school-level math.
  • Several recommendations for books and resources are provided, including "Spacetime Physics" by Taylor and Wheeler, Brian Greene's lectures, and "Relativity for Poets" by Ben Crowell, among others.
  • One participant highlights the importance of visual aids in understanding concepts, mentioning their interest in "An Illustrated Guide to Relativity."
  • Another participant reiterates their preference for explanations that do not involve human consciousness, discussing the implications of the measurement problem in quantum mechanics and the relativity of simultaneity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the role of human consciousness in understanding physics. There are competing views on whether layman's texts should include philosophical elements or focus solely on technical details.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express limitations in existing texts, noting that the integration of human experience can lead to confusion and cognitive conflict when grappling with concepts like simultaneity in relativity.

EspressoDan
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Hi,
I'm reading "Hidden in plain sight". The book, like most other layman's texts has a particular frustration for me.

Most layman's book try to relate concepts to human experience with analogous examples. The problem they cause me is that when discussing concepts like time and space the introduction of human consciousness or the products of human endeavour just removes the ability to deal with straightforward facts and leads to simplification that causes me confusion. When I find the answer, my reaction is usually frustration that the author didn't just write the details in the first place.

As an example, when dealing with time, this book starts down the path of "every moment in your life is as real as any other".

My view is that when trying to understand relativity and spacetime, the existence of squishy people isn't here or there, and the consciousness that results from the biological arrangements in our bodies doesn't matter to the universe. I'd rather deal with time and space without human consciousness, breaking glasses and spaceships thrown into the mix. Maybe using explanation at a quantum level?

The quote "...intense cognitive conflict that students encounter as they are led to confront the incompatibility of their deeply-held beliefs about simultaneity with the results of special relativity." Is true, I very much feel it but as long as texts continue to refer back to human experience, I don't see how I can move forward.

I'm quite happy to accept Feynman's requirement to "just accept it". Unfortunately nothing quite gives it to me.

Is there a good layman's book that gets down to detail and leaves out the philosophical points that always come with "image if's"??
 
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You are a conscious being so how can we leave it out? It is our conscious experience of our environment that give use the information to try and understand. Since we only experience a segment of our universe whose various parts behave differently it does become a challenge to bring everything large and small into an logical consistent framework.

Would you question be "how do we know what we know?".
 
EspressoDan said:
Is there a good layman's book...?
It depends on what you mean by "layman's book". If you mean something that contains no math, then the answer has to be "no". Math is the language of physics; trying to understand physics without it is like trying to learn to cook by reading restaurant reviews.

Fortunately, the amount of math needed to get through special relativity is much less than is required for either quantum mechanics or general relativity. High school math through trig and precalculus is sufficient if you steer clear of the problems that require calculus; and at that level Taylor and Wheeler's "Spacetime Physics" is one of my favorites.
 
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Ben Crowell's book "Relativity for Poets" is a text for a maths-free course in relativity he teaches to non-science majors. @bcrowell is a former regular here. The book is a free download from www.lightandmatter.com
 
There are many good non-technical books on physics without equations and without ordinary-life analogies. Here are some of them:

- general physics:
R. Feynman, The Character of Physical Law
J. Baker, 50 Physics Ideas You Really Need to Know

- special relativity:
H. Bondi, Relativity and Common Sense
T. Takeuchy, An Illustrated Guide to Relativity

- general relativity:
R. Geroch, General Relativity from A to B

- cosmology:
S. Weinberg, The First Three Minutes
T. Padmanabhan, After The First Three Minutes

- statistical physics and chaos:
A. Ben-Naim, Entropy Demystified: The Second Law Reduced to Plain Common Sense
D. Ruelle, Chance and Chaos
J. Gleick, Chaos: Making a New Science

- quantum foundations:
A. Zeilinger, Dance of the Photons
N. Gisin, Quantum Chance
J. Gribbin, In Search of Schrödinger's Cat

- quantum physics:
A.I.M. Rae, Quantum Physics: A Beginners Guide
J. Gribbin, Quantum Physics
J. Marburger, Constructing Reality

- quantum field theory and particle physics:
R. Feynman, QED: The Strange Theory of Light and Matter
Y. Nambu, Quarks
Y. Ne'eman, Y. Kirsh, The Particle Hunters
 
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Thank you for the recommendations.

Your recommendation reminded me that I have a copy of 'The Character of Physical Law' on the shelf! I've purchased 'Relativity and Commonsense', for the amazing 1987 open-universityesq cover alone!

An Illustrated Guide to Relativity looks interesting too. Visual is good.
 
EspressoDan said:
My view is that when trying to understand relativity and spacetime, the existence of squishy people isn't here or there, and the consciousness that results from the biological arrangements in our bodies doesn't matter to the universe. I'd rather deal with time and space without human consciousness, breaking glasses and spaceships thrown into the mix. Maybe using explanation at a quantum level?

In fact, a "just accept it" of quantum mechanics is that the theory postulates a division of the universe into "conscious" and "non-conscious", or into "classical" and quantum". You can see this in Landau and Lifshitz's famous quantum mechanics textbook. For those who believe that a deeper theory of nature need not postulate such a division, this is known as the "measurement problem" of quantum mechanics.

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The quote "...intense cognitive conflict that students encounter as they are led to confront the incompatibility of their deeply-held beliefs about simultaneity with the results of special relativity." Is true, I very much feel it but as long as texts continue to refer back to human experience, I don't see how I can move forward.

If you refer back to human experience, you will see that simultaneity for spatially separated people does not exist. Can singers in a choir experience the same "now"? If the two singers are far apart, because of the finite speed of sound, the singers will have difficulty syncing their singing, so they cannot experience the same "now". The relativity of simultaneity is due to a similar effect, except that it is due to the finite speed of light.
 
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