Books where chemists explain how they designed new molecules

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the desire to find historical documents or books where chemists describe the processes they used to synthesize new molecules. Participants express interest in practical applications of chemistry, particularly in the context of drug design and molecular synthesis, rather than theoretical discussions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about historical documents where chemists explain their synthesis processes, expressing a preference for practical examples over theoretical discussions.
  • There are suggestions that biographies of famous chemists and Nobel lectures may contain relevant discussions.
  • Participants mention the role of trial and error in molecular design, alongside the use of computer-aided design.
  • One participant notes the lack of recent literature on femtochemistry, questioning if better techniques have emerged since 2004.
  • Several participants recommend looking into research group websites for practical examples and publications related to computational chemistry and molecular design.
  • Books such as "Ignition!: An Informal History of Liquid Rocket Propellants" are suggested as entertaining resources that include examples of chemical synthesis.
  • Textbooks on drug design and synthetic organic chemistry are mentioned, with specific titles provided, emphasizing their practical applications in rational drug design.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a general interest in finding practical examples of molecular synthesis, but there is no consensus on specific resources or the effectiveness of different approaches. Multiple competing views on the best sources and methods for finding relevant literature remain.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the limitations of existing literature, such as a focus on theory rather than practical examples, and the potential need for a background in general chemistry to fully understand recommended texts.

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This discussion may be useful for students and professionals interested in the practical applications of chemistry, particularly in drug design and molecular synthesis, as well as those seeking historical perspectives on chemical synthesis processes.

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I would like to read historical documents where the chemist that succeded in synthetizing a new molecule explains the process he used to obtain his results. Does that exists?

Instead of reading about solving the shrodinger equation in a square potential I would like to read how someone actually used that knowledge to design new molecules that must had some properties or perform a specific task.

Thanks!
 
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jonjacson said:
I would like to read historical documents where the chemist that succeded in synthetizing a new molecule explains the process he used to obtain his results. Does that exists?
There may be some discussion of this in some biographies of famous chemists. You may also be able to find something in the Nobel lecture of laureates in chemistry, which are available at the Nobel Foundation's website.

jonjacson said:
Instead of reading about solving the shrodinger equation in a square potential I would like to read how someone actually used that knowledge to design new molecules that must had some properties or perform a specific task.
I don't how how many molecules were designed using computer-aided design. I think that there is a lot of trial an error in the process, starting with the idea of making a molecule that is an analogue to another.
 
DrClaude said:
There may be some discussion of this in some biographies of famous chemists. You may also be able to find something in the Nobel lecture of laureates in chemistry, which are available at the Nobel Foundation's website.I don't how how many molecules were designed using computer-aided design. I think that there is a lot of trial an error in the process, starting with the idea of making a molecule that is an analogue to another.
Thanks for the first link.

In regards of your second part, I would like to read about it anyway. So I would like to read success stories, if instead of Schrödinger they used trial and error, it is not a problem to me.
 
I just found femtochemistry, the Nobel Laureate in 1999, that was so interesting.

It is very strange to see that there are books about that until 2004, nothing later. I wonder why, Did someone find a better technique?
 
I don't know the answer, but I would start by looking at books / papers / wikipedia articles / research-group web-sites that deal with computational chemistry, computational molecular design and/or computational materials science.
 
jasonRF said:
I don't know the answer, but I would start by looking at books / papers / wikipedia articles / research-group web-sites that deal with computational chemistry, computational molecular design and/or computational materials science.

I tried computational chemistry books, but all of them were about the theory, the methods... but didn't show a practical, hands-on, successful examples.
 
Right. So try looking at research group web sites. They usually link to publications, and sometimes provide descriptions or links to other useful material such as seminar presentations, etc.
 
I will try.
 
Ignition!: An Informal History of Liquid Rocket Propellants by John Drury Clark has a few examples of what you're asking for, though it isn't the main focus of the book. The book is also very entertaining and funny, in my opinion. It presents an interesting and informative history of the chemistry of the title subject, I think.
 
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+1 on Ignition!

It is an incredibly fun, informative, cool, etc., book!

Recommended to anyone who can read and digs science. Applied chemistry, fun and cool. Rockets. Things blowing up. An experimental use of mercaptins as rocket fuel!

Check it out!

diogenesNY
 
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The Bill said:
Ignition!: An Informal History of Liquid Rocket Propellants by John Drury Clark has a few examples of what you're asking for, though it isn't the main focus of the book. The book is also very entertaining and funny, in my opinion. It presents an interesting and informative history of the chemistry of the title subject, I think.

Great! Thanks!

That is very close to what I was looking for.

Let's see if there are more posts like yours.
 
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Hello,
I used this textbook in my drug design class and thought it was great. It doesn't really focus on anyone drug but goes through how drugs are rationally designed. It shows how the big name mechanisms you learned in organic chemistry are applied. I have more suggestions like this one but I can ask the inorganic/materials scientists I know for suggestions if that's what you were looking for.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0198708432/?tag=pfamazon01-20
 
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cosmicpuffycombs said:
Hello,
I used this textbook in my drug design class and thought it was great. It doesn't really focus on anyone drug but goes through how drugs are rationally designed. It shows how the big name mechanisms you learned in organic chemistry are applied. I have more suggestions like this one but I can ask the inorganic/materials scientists I know for suggestions if that's what you were looking for.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0198708432/?tag=pfamazon01-20

I really apreciate your post, thank you so much.

The book looks really interesting, I will purchase it .
 
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K. C. Nicolau wrote a series of books called "Classics in Total Synthesis" that is just wonderful for anyone interested in synthetic organic chemistry. Also, Corey and Cheng's "Logic of Chemical Synthesis" is another classic. It wouldn't hurt to have at least a few gen chem classes as background when reading these books.

Edit:
Classics in Total synthesis (3 vols):
Volume 1
Volume 2
Volume 3

Logic of Chemical Synthesis:
Link
 
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TeethWhitener said:
K. C. Nicolau wrote a series of books called "Classics in Total Synthesis" that is just wonderful for anyone interested in synthetic organic chemistry. Also, Corey and Cheng's "Logic of Chemical Synthesis" is another classic. It wouldn't hurt to have at least a few gen chem classes as background when reading these books.

Edit:
Classics in Total synthesis (3 vols):
Volume 1
Volume 2
Volume 3

Logic of Chemical Synthesis:
Link

Thank you so much!
 

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