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Here is the question:

Need help on calc 2 question?

I need a good explanation on how to solve this question
a) find at least two continuous functions F that satisfy each condition
i) F(x) ≥ 0 on [0,1]
ii) F(0)=0 and F(1)=0
iii) the area bounded by the graph of F and the x-axis for 0≤x≤1 equals 1

B) for each function in part (a) approximate the arc length of the graph of the function on the interval[0,1]

C) Can you find a function F that satisfies each condition on part (a) and whose graph has an arc-length of less than 3 on the interval [0,1]

I have posted a link there to this topic so the OP can see my work.
 
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Hello Bordiba,

a) I say we keep things as simple as possible. For our first function, let's try an absolute value function whose axis of symmetry is at $$x=\frac{1}{2}$$, and has the required roots and area. So let's begin with:

$$f(x)=A|2x-1|+B$$

With the required roots in mind, we may write:

$$f(0)=f(1)=A+B=0\,\therefore\,A=-B$$

With the required triangular area in mind, we find:

$$\frac{1}{2}(1-0)B=1\,\therefore\,B=2$$

and so we have:

$$f(x)=-2|2x-1|+2$$

Here is a plot of the function:

View attachment 1124

Next, let's try a quadratic function.

With the required roots in mind, we may write it as:

$$f(x)=Ax(x-1)=A\left(x^2-x \right)$$

With the required area in mind, we may write:

$$A\int_0^1 x^2-x\,dx=1$$

Applying the FTOC, we have:

$$A\left[\frac{1}{3}x^3-\frac{1}{2}x^2 \right]_0^1=1$$

$$A\left[2x^3-3x^2 \right]_0^1=6$$

$$A\left(2-3 \right)=6$$

$$A=-6$$

And so we have:

$$f(x)=6x(1-x)$$

Here is a plot of the function:

View attachment 1125

b) To find the arc-lengths, we need only apply the Pythagorean theorem for the first function:

$$s=2\sqrt{\left(\frac{1}{2} \right)^2+2^2}=\sqrt{17}$$

For the second function, we will use:

$$s=2\int_0^{\frac{1}{2}}\sqrt{1+(6(1-2x))^2}\,dx$$

Using the trigonometric substitution:

$$6(1-2x)=6-12x=\tan(\theta)\,\therefore\,-12\,dx=\sec^2(\theta)\,d\theta$$

we have:

$$s=\frac{1}{6}\int_0^{\tan^{-1}(6)}\sec^3(\theta)\,d\theta$$

With a bit of manipulation, we can get this in a form we can integrate directly:

$$\sec^3(\theta)=\frac{1}{2}\left(\sec^3(\theta)+ \sec^3(\theta) \right)=\frac{1}{2}\left(\sec^3(\theta)+ \sec(\theta)\left(\tan^2(\theta)+1 \right) \right)=$$

$$\frac{1}{2}\left(\sec^3(\theta)+ \sec(\theta)\tan^2(\theta)+\sec(\theta)\frac{\tan(\theta)+ \sec(\theta)}{\tan(\theta)+\sec(\theta)} \right)=$$

$$\frac{1}{2}\left(\left(\sec(\theta)\sec^2(\theta)+\sec(\theta)\tan^2(\theta) \right)+\left(\frac{\sec(\theta)\tan(\theta)+\sec^2(\theta)}{\sec(\theta)+\tan(\theta)} \right) \right)=$$

$$\frac{1}{2}\frac{d}{d\theta}\left(\sec(\theta)\tan(\theta)+\ln\left|\sec(\theta)+\tan(\theta) \right| \right)$$

So now we have:

$$s=\frac{1}{12}\int_0^{\tan^{-1}(6)}\,d \left(\sec( \theta)\tan( \theta)+\ln\left|\sec( \theta)+\tan( \theta) \right| \right)$$

Applying the FTOC, we have:

$$s=\frac{1}{12}\left[\sec( \theta)\tan( \theta)+\ln\left|\sec( \theta)+\tan( \theta) \right| \right]_0^{\tan^{-1}(6)}=$$

$$\frac{1}{12}\left(6\sqrt{37}+\ln\left(\sqrt{37}+6 \right) \right)\approx3.249029586202852$$

c) Let's try a quartic function this time, since the area seem to be decreasing as the order increases. We may try:

$$f(x)=A\left(x-\frac{1}{2} \right)^4+B$$

With the root requirements in mind, we find:

$$f(0)=f(1)=\frac{A}{16}+B=0\,\therefore\,A=-16B$$

Now, with the requirement on the area in mind, we may write:

$$B\int_0^1 1-16\left(x-\frac{1}{2} \right)^4\,dx=1$$

Applying the FTOC, we have:

$$B\left[x-\frac{16}{5}\left(x-\frac{1}{2} \right)^5 \right]_0^1=1$$

$$B\left[5x-16\left(x-\frac{1}{2} \right)^5 \right]_0^1=5$$

$$B\left(\left(5-\frac{1}{2} \right)-\left(0+\frac{1}{2} \right) \right)=5$$

$$B=\frac{5}{4}$$

Thus, our function is:

$$f(x)=-20\left(x-\frac{1}{2} \right)^4+\frac{5}{4}=\frac{5}{4}\left(1-(2x-1)^4 \right)$$

Here is a plot of the function:

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Using numeric integration, we find the arc-length is:

$$s=\int_0^1\sqrt{1+100(2x-1)^6}\,dx\approx
2.96314204075918$$
 

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I wanted to post a bit more about part c) of this problem. I realized I said that as the degree increases, the arc-length decreases, yet as I reflected on this, I realized that as the order approaches infinity, the function becomes square and so the arc-length must approach 3. So, it occurred to me that perhaps the arc-length does in fact decrease at first, but then at some point begins increasing again.

So, let's define our function as:

$$f(x)=A(2x-1)^{2n}+B$$

Recall, we require:

$$f(0)=f(1)=A+B=0\,\therefore\,B=-A$$

Hence, the function is:

$$f(x)=A(2x-1)^{2n}-A$$

Now, to determine $A$, we will require the given area to be $1$:

$$A\int_0^1 (2x-1)^{2n}-1\,dx=1$$

$$A\left[\frac{1}{2(2n+1)}(2x-1)^{2n+1}-x \right]_0^1=1$$

$$A\left[(2x-1)^{2n+1}-2(2n+1)x \right]_0^1=2(2n+1)$$

$$A\left((1-2(2n+1))-(-1-0) \right)=2(2n+1)$$

$$A(2-2(2n+1))=2(2n+1)$$

$$A(-2n)=2n+1$$

$$A=-\frac{2n+1}{2n}$$

And so the function becomes:

$$f(x)=-\frac{2n+1}{2n}(2x-1)^{2n}+\frac{2n+1}{2n}$$

$$f(x)=\frac{2n+1}{2n}\left(1-(2x-1)^{2n} \right)$$

Now, computing the derivative, we find:

$$f'(x)=-2(2n+1)(2x-1)^{2n-1}$$

And so, the arc-length as a function of $n$ is:

$$s(n)=\int_0^1\sqrt{1+\left(2(2n+1)(2x-1)^{2n-1} \right)^2}\,dx$$

Using numeric integration, we find:

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[TR]
[TD]n[/TD]
[TD]$s(n)\approx$[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]3.24903[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2[/TD]
[TD]2.96314[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD]2.90967[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]2.89612[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]2.89401[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]2.89589[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]2.89922[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]100[/TD]
[TD]2.97888[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1000[/TD]
[TD]2.99671[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2000[/TD]
[TD]2.99818[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

It seems the turning point is at $n=5$, representing a 10th degree polynomial.
 
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