Bored and curious about kinetic energy

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The discussion revolves around the formula for kinetic energy, specifically questioning the presence of the 1/2 constant in the equation Ek = 0.5mv². Participants explore the derivation of this formula, its relation to the conservation of energy, and the mathematical reasoning behind it, including concepts from calculus.

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  • One participant proposes an alternative formula for kinetic energy, E = mdx²/t², and questions the origin of the 1/2 constant in the standard formula.
  • Another participant explains that the 1/2 is necessary for consistency with the law of conservation of energy, using the example of a falling object to illustrate the relationship between force, distance, and kinetic energy.
  • A different participant suggests that the 1/2 factor can also be understood through the integration process involved in calculating work done to accelerate an object.
  • One participant expresses curiosity about the integration aspect of the derivation and seeks clarification on the meaning of variables in the equations presented.

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Participants generally agree on the necessity of the 1/2 constant for consistency with physical laws, but there are varying explanations and interpretations regarding its derivation and the mathematical principles involved. The discussion remains open-ended with multiple perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference calculus concepts and the relationship between force, distance, and energy without fully resolving the mathematical steps involved in the derivation of kinetic energy.

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So I was really bored today, and while pondering to myself I wondered why this isn't a valid formula for kinetic energy (say for a laterally moving truck):

E = mdx2 / t2

So I did a little test example, say a moving truck with:

m = 2000 kg
dx = 150 m
t = 10s

And plugged it in the formula and got 450 000 kg m2/s2 (J).

After remember the ACTUAL kinetic energy formula (Ek = 0.5mv^2), I was wondering where on Earth the 0.5 came from? In reality the truck has a kinetic energy of 225 000 J

So my question is simply this: (probably a basic one) Why is there a 1/2 constant in the kinetic energy formula?
 
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You need the 1/2 to be consistent with the law of conservation of energy.

Think about a falling object (ignoring air resistance).

The force acting on it is its weight = mg

The acceleration is constant = g

If it start from rest, you know that at time t

v = gt
x = 1/2 g t^2

The work done by its weight = force times distance = (mg) (1/2 g t^2)

The kinetic energy = 1/2 m (gt)^2

And those two quantities must be equal.
 
If it start from rest, you know that at time t

v = gt
x = 1/2 g t^2

Is this considered integration? It looks like you've worked backwards to find the original equation for the derivative v = gt. I've only done introductory calculus btw, and still learning.

And what would x represent here? EDIT: Never mind! I guess it means a distance, considering the units work out to meters! This makes sense too, considered F = mg, and Ek must be in J = Nm... so the distance aspect is (1/2 gt^2) and the "N" aspect = mg, so you must multiply them... awesome!

Thanks
 
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