Bound and Free Charge in conductor and dielectric

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on understanding the concepts of bound and free charge in conductors and dielectrics, particularly in the context of electrodynamics. Participants explore definitions, behaviors, and mathematical relationships associated with these charges.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants clarify that free charges can move in response to external forces, while bound charges cannot.
  • It is noted that free charges can move throughout the entire medium, whereas bound charges are limited to small movements around their respective atoms or molecules.
  • A participant mentions a specific scenario involving a wire carrying charge Q insulated by a dielectric, questioning the equality of bound charge on the outer and inner surfaces of the insulator.
  • There is a reference to using Gauss's law for D to derive relationships involving free and bound charge, but uncertainty exists regarding the enclosed free charge in this context.
  • A participant expresses difficulty in deriving the equation \(\rho = \rhob + \rhof\) and seeks clarification on its application.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definitions and behaviors of free and bound charges, but the specific mathematical relationships and derivations remain contested and unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include missing assumptions regarding the application of Gauss's law, the definition of enclosed free charge, and the conditions under which the equation \(\rho = \rhob + \rhof\) holds true.

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I am reading an electrodynamics book to grasp the concept of bound and free charge, esp in conductor and dielectric. I got lost with the text on the book. Can anyone please help me understand the concept well?
 
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I bet some people here could help... what specific questions do you have?
 
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A free charge can move in response to an externally supplied force while a bound charge cannot.
 
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Free charges are free to move about the entire medium, while bound charges are restricted to moving in small 'loops' around whichever molecule/ atom they are bound to.
 
gabbagabbahey said:
Free charges are free to move about the entire medium, while bound charges are restricted to moving in small 'loops' around whichever molecule/ atom they are bound to.

For a bit more detail, click free charge for the PF Library item :smile:
 
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in case of a wire carrying a certain amount of charge, say Q, which is insulated by a insulator (dielectric), I read that the bound charge on the outer surface and inner surface of the insulator is equal to each other in magnitude. But I could not derive it myself. My approach was to use Gauss's law for D, but i did not get what enclosed free charge was. In such a case, how does the equation \rho = \rhob + \rhof hold true?
 

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