Boundary condition for a charged surface

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the boundary conditions for a charged surface between two electrically conducting fluids, particularly focusing on the derivation of the continuity equation and its implications in electromagnetism.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks derivation and references for the continuity equation in the context of charged interfaces between conducting fluids.
  • Another participant explains the continuity equation as a mathematical formulation, asserting it is not derived from simpler principles and mentions its historical context in Maxwell's work.
  • There is a suggestion of relevant literature, including works by Landau & Lifgarbagez and Penfield & Haus, which may provide insights into the topic.
  • A later reply indicates a lack of access to the suggested books, highlighting a potential barrier to further exploration of the topic.
  • One participant mentions the leaky dielectric model as relevant to the discussion, indicating a specific framework for understanding the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and access to resources, with no consensus on the derivation of the continuity equation or its application to the problem at hand.

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Limitations include the lack of derivation details for the continuity equation and the dependence on specific literature that some participants cannot access.

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This discussion may be useful for researchers or students interested in electromagnetism, particularly those exploring boundary conditions in conducting fluids and the mathematical formulations involved.

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Hi,

I am looking at a problem where I have two electrically conducting fluids where charge accrues on the interface, I know that one of the equations that I have to use comes straight from the usual boundary conditions for the normal component of the electric field, the other one apparent comes from integrating the continuity equation:
[tex] \frac{\partial\rho}{\partial t}+\nabla\cdot\mathbf{J}=0[/tex]

around a closed surface ending up with a covariant derivative, in all the papers I have seen the equation simply quoted and not derived, I am interested in it's derivation.

Can anyone suggest any papers or give be a few pointers?

Mat
 
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Hello Mat,

the equation of continuity is a mathematical formulation of the experience that electric charges moves continuously in space, the total charge of isolated system of bodies is constant. It is not derived from anything simpler.

Maxwell used this law to argue that there should be new term [itex]\partial \mathbf D/\partial t[/itex] in the equation stating the Ampere law.

The electromagnetism of continuous media is treated briefly in Landau&Lifgarbagez, Electrodynamics of continuous media, and there is also an important book

P. Penfield, H. A. Haus, Eletrodynamics of moving media, Cambridge, MIT, 1967

which I would like to get access to, but so far I didn't have luck.
 
I don't have access to these book either.
 
Anyone else care to comment? The equation I understand involves a covariant derivative.

I understand that the model in question is the leaky dielectric model.
 
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