Electrostatic Boundary Conditions

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The discussion revolves around the electrostatic boundary conditions as presented in Griffiths' textbook on electrodynamics, specifically focusing on the behavior of electric fields near an infinite, uniformly charged plane. Participants explore the implications of the boundary conditions and the discontinuity in electric field magnitudes across the boundary.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the electric field due to an infinite charged plane and notes the expected uniformity of the field on both sides of the plane, questioning the discontinuity described in the textbook.
  • Another participant suggests that the author may have been referring to the change in the vector field rather than the magnitudes, indicating that the boundary condition involves the perpendicular component of the electric field.
  • Some participants clarify that Griffiths is indeed discussing the perpendicular component of the electric field, which can differ across the boundary, and that the relation given in the textbook is valid for more general cases beyond the infinite plane.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the implications of the discontinuity, suggesting that the limiting process described in the textbook may apply to non-planar sheets of charge.
  • Another participant confirms that the diagram provided by the original poster is correct for an infinite plane sheet of charge, but emphasizes that the relation in Griffiths holds in a more general context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the interpretation of the boundary conditions and the relevance of the perpendicular component of the electric field. However, there remains some uncertainty regarding the implications of the discontinuity and whether Griffiths' discussion applies specifically to the infinite plane or to more general cases.

Contextual Notes

There is a discussion about the assumptions involved in applying Gauss' law and the conditions under which the electric field is considered uniform. The conversation also touches on the potential for confusion regarding the distinction between the magnitude and the vector components of the electric field.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and self-learners studying electrodynamics, particularly those grappling with boundary conditions and the behavior of electric fields near charged surfaces.

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Hello PF community,

I am currently self-studying electrodynamics from Griffiths textbook, and I'm at a point where the book discusses electrostatic boundary conditions. If someone can please check if my reasoning is right.

So, as I am approaching an infinite, uniformly charged plane (let the charge be positive), there is electric field pointing away from the plane, which has a magnitude equal to:

$$\vec E=\frac{\sigma}{2\epsilon_0}\hat n$$

where ##\hat n## is a vector perpendicular to the plane. This can be derived from Gauss' law, and it shows that electric field of a point does not depend on the distance from the plane. Magnitude on the other side of the plane would be the same, except it would have opposite direction.

However, according to the book, as I'm approaching the boundary and eventually cross it, there is a discontinuity. The author writes:

$$E_{above}-E_{below}=\frac{\sigma}{\epsilon_0}$$

Note that the author does not have these in bold. This implies that (somehow) the magnitude of the electric field above the plane is not equal to the magnitude of the electric field below it. How is that possible? I expected RHS to be 0 in this case.

Thanks.
 
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Hypercube said:
Note that the author does not have these in bold.
Probably an oversight.

The magnitude can be different (and for an ideal plate capacitor the difference in magnitude will be this value, because the field on the outside is zero), but the boundary condition is the change in the field vector.
 
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Perhaps Griffiths was thinking in terms of a component of the field, e.g. ##E_z## for a sheet parallel to the xy-plane. Unlike the magnitude ##E##, this can be positive or negative.
 
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jtbell said:
Perhaps Griffiths was thinking in terms of a component of the field, e.g. ##E_z## for a sheet parallel to the xy-plane. Unlike the magnitude ##E##, this can be positive or negative.
Yes. Griffiths was in fact referring to the component of the field perpendicular to the surface. I happen to have a copy of his book handy and checked again, to make sure. It was neither an oversight, nor an imprecisely stated result. The relation given in Griffiths 3rd edition says:
Eabove - Ebelow = σ/ε0
 
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But I still don't quite understand what this means.

Yes, he is talking about perpendicular component. But if I have a flat, infinite plane and the charge is uniformly distributed, perpendicular component is the only component, right?

Suppose that this charged plane lies in the x-y plane. At all points below z-axis the field is constant and negative, and at all points above z-axis, field is constant and positive, and there is discontinuity as we "cross" the boundary. Is the below graph correct?
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If the field above is uniform and constant, and the field below is uniform and constant, then the difference is a simple matter of ##E_{above}-E_{below}##. Instead, he applies Gauss' Law, states limiting condition where ##\epsilon## (distance between upper and lower Gaussian surface parallel to the plane) converges to zero, etc, etc... Intuition tells me that there must be something that I overlooked.
 

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I’m traveling now, so I don’t have my copy of Griffiths at hand to see the exact context for myself. However, that limiting process seems to be what one would use for the more general case of a non-planar sheet of charge, in which the field is not uniform at finite distances from the sheet.

Perhaps Griffiths is actually discussing the more general case, or perhaps he is simply anticipating it.
 
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jtbell is right. Griffiths is indeed discussing the general case of a non-flat sheet of charge. The OP is a particular case. The diagram given by OP is correct for an infinite plane sheet of charge. But the relation in Griffiths is more generally valid. For an infinite flat sheet, as hypercube says, the perpendicular component is the only component. In the general case, even if there is a parallel com[ponent, the discontinuity in the perpendicular component still follows the relation given in Griffiths.
 
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I understand now. Thank you for your replies.
 

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