Boundary conditions for the Heat Equation

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The discussion revolves around the boundary conditions for the heat equation in polar coordinates, particularly in the context of solving the equation via separation of variables. Participants explore various boundary conditions that can be applied to the problem, considering both physical interpretations and mathematical requirements.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the heat equation in polar coordinates and expresses uncertainty about the appropriate boundary conditions, specifically questioning the use of zero temperature at the boundary.
  • Another participant suggests that the boundary conditions depend on the specific physical situation being modeled and requests clarification on this aspect.
  • Multiple participants assert that the boundary condition at r = 0 should involve a zero radial temperature gradient, with one noting that this is valid only under conditions of rotational symmetry.
  • There is a mention that the general solution may include contributions from Bessel functions, which could have non-zero derivatives at r = 0, complicating the boundary condition.
  • One participant proposes an inner boundary condition of zero radial temperature gradient and states that the outer boundary condition is dependent on the physical context, allowing for flexibility.
  • A later reply indicates a method for handling inhomogeneous boundary conditions by decomposing the solution into a steady state and a transient part.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need for a zero radial temperature gradient at r = 0, but there is disagreement regarding the outer boundary condition, which remains unresolved as it is contingent on the physical situation being modeled.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about symmetry and the specific physical scenarios that could influence the boundary conditions. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps necessary for applying these conditions in different contexts.

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Hello guys.

I am studying the heat equation in polar coordinates

$$
u_t=k(u_{rr}+\frac{1}{r}u_r+\frac{1}{r^2}u_{\theta\theta})
$$

via separation of variables.
$$u(r,\theta,t)=T(t)R(r)\Theta(\theta)$$

which gives the ODEs

$$T''+k \lambda^2 T=0$$
$$r^2R''+rR+(\lambda^2 r^2-\mu^2)R=0$$
$$\Theta''+\mu^2\Theta=0$$

but i can't properly think about the boundary conditions to this problem. I see every where people resolving it with

$$
|u(0,\theta,t)|<\inf \mapsto |R(0)| < \inf
$$

and

$$u(r*,\theta,t)=0 \mapsto R(r*)=0$$

being r* the border of the disc.

But i understand the radial condition as a termal bath at zero temperature and i really want to change it for a finite value but i don't know how to procede without the zeros...

Any suggestions?
 
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The boundary conditions depend on what physical situation you wish to describe. Can you be more specific about this?
 
The boundary condition at r = 0 should be zero radial temperature gradient.
 
Time equation should be
$$ T' + k\lambda^2T = 0$$
 
Chestermiller said:
The boundary condition at r = 0 should be zero radial temperature gradient.
This is correct only in the case of rotational symmetry of the problem. The general solution will contain contributions from ##J_1##, which has non-zero derivative at ##r = 0##.
 
You should have the inner boundary condition:
<br /> \frac{\partial u}{\partial r}\Bigg|_{r=0}=0<br />
This is the proper symmetry condition. The outer boundary condition is physics dependent however and can be absolutely anything.
 
I have solved it guys!

To operate with inhomogeneous bondary conditions I've used

$$
u(r,\theta,t)=v(r,\theta,t)+u_E(r,\theta)
$$

being u_E the steady state and "v" the solution of the heat equation.
 

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