Boundary conditions for TM and TE waves

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The discussion revolves around the boundary conditions for transverse magnetic (TM) and transverse electric (TE) waves, particularly focusing on the derivation of the Fresnel equations for reflection and refraction of electromagnetic waves. Participants express confusion regarding the mathematical relationships and continuity conditions for the electric and magnetic fields at the interface between two media.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the equations governing TM and TE waves, noting similarities between certain equations and questioning their derivation.
  • Another participant asserts that the derivation of the Fresnel equations primarily involves the magnetic field, linking it to the electric field through a specific relationship involving phase velocity.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the mathematical basis for the continuity of the electric and magnetic fields at the boundary, specifically questioning the presence of a minus sign in the equations and the role of cosine factors in the TE wave equations.
  • One participant mentions that Maxwell's equations govern the derivation of these relationships, suggesting that standard textbooks on electrodynamics or optics contain the necessary derivations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the specific mathematical details or the implications of the equations. There is ongoing confusion and questioning regarding the derivation and interpretation of boundary conditions for TM and TE waves.

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Participants highlight potential limitations in understanding the derivation of the equations, including assumptions about continuity and the specific forms of the equations used in the discussion.

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I am reading about transverse polarization of magnetic and electric field, but i can not understand the boundary conditions it was imposed by the author
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Theta in the incident angle
Phi is the refraction angle
'' denotes everything that propagates to the other medium, that is, everything related to refraction
' denotes the reflection in the original medium

I am rather confused, would appreciate any help.
I see the second equation of TE is basically the same as the third equation of it.
Too, i see that the first equation of TM is equal to the second equation of it.
 
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If this is the standard derivation of the Fresnel formulae for reflection and refraction of a monochromatic em. wave then indeed you only need to deal with the magnetic field, because the magnetic field is given by the electric through ##\vec{B}=\frac{1}{c_j} \vec{n} \times \vec{E}##, where ##c_j## (##j \in \{1,2\}##) is the phase velocity of light ##c_j=c/n_j## in medium ##j## and ##\vec{n}## the direction of the wave vector of the corresponding plane waves describing the incoming, reflected, and refracted wave respectively.
 
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vanhees71 said:
If this is the standard derivation of the Fresnel formulae for reflection and refraction of a monochromatic em. wave then indeed you only need to deal with the magnetic field, because the magnetic field is given by the electric through ##\vec{B}=\frac{1}{c_j} \vec{n} \times \vec{E}##, where ##c_j## (##j \in \{1,2\}##) is the phase velocity of light ##c_j=c/n_j## in medium ##j## and ##\vec{n}## the direction of the wave vector of the corresponding plane waves describing the incoming, reflected, and refracted wave respectively.
Hello. Thx for the reply. I understand your point, what i don't understand is how to get this equations. That is, what is the math behind it?

If it was give to me, i would probably say that E and H need to be continuous in the separation(1) with the derivative being continuous too(2).

(1) for E agree with the image, but what about B? Why the minus sign there? (H-H' = H'')
(2)It would lead us, for example for TE, (-Ek + E'k' = E''k''), but in the image there is a cos with this equation, why?
 
The math behind it are of course Maxwell's equations for all fields having time dependence ##\exp(-\mathrm{i} \omega t)##. You find the derivation in any good textbook on electrodynamics and/or optics.
 

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