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The discussion revolves around the concept of bounded subsets in normed spaces as presented in D. J. H. Garling's book. Participants are examining the implications of specific inequalities related to norms and their connection to the definition of boundedness in the context of metric and normed spaces.

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Main Points Raised

  • Peter seeks clarification on Garling's remarks regarding the definition of a bounded subset and how certain inequalities lead to the conclusion that a subset is bounded if the supremum of its norms is finite.
  • One participant explains that if a subset \( B \) is nonempty and bounded, then for all \( b \in B \), the norm \( \|b\| \) can be bounded in terms of the diameter of \( B \) and a fixed point \( c \) in \( B \), implying that \( \sup_{b \in B} \|b\| < \infty \).
  • Another participant confirms the relationship between the norm and the diameter of \( B \), stating that if the supremum of the norms is finite, then the diameter of \( B \) must also be finite.
  • Peter questions a potential error in the notation used by another participant regarding the relationship between the norm of \( b \) and the diameter of \( B \), seeking clarification on the correct expression.
  • Participants engage in correcting and refining earlier statements, with Peter acknowledging the necessity of both inequalities for the complete argument regarding boundedness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the implications of the inequalities for establishing boundedness, but there is some clarification needed regarding the notation and the necessity of both inequalities presented by Garling. The discussion remains somewhat unresolved as participants continue to refine their understanding of the definitions and relationships involved.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the properties of the norm and the definitions of boundedness are implicit in the discussion. The relationship between the inequalities and the concept of diameter is also a point of exploration that may depend on specific definitions used by Garling.

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I am reading D. J. H. Garling's book: "A Course in Mathematical Analysis: Volume II: Metric and Topological Spaces, Functions of a Vector Variable" ... ...

I am focused on Chapter 11: Metric Spaces and Normed Spaces ... ...

I need some help with some remarks by Garling concerning a subset being norm bounded of bounded in norm ...

The particular remarks by Garling read as follows:View attachment 8950
Note that the definition of a bounded set by Garling is included in the following text:
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In the remarks by Garling above we read the following:

" ... ... Then since

$$\mid \mid x - y \mid \mid \le \mid \mid x \mid \mid + \mid \mid y \mid \mid$$ and $$\mid \mid y \mid \mid \le \mid \mid y - x \mid \mid + \mid \mid x \mid \mid$$

a subset $$B$$ is bounded if and only if $$\text{sup } \{ \mid \mid b \mid \mid \ : \ b \in B \} \lt \infty$$ ... ... ... "Can someone please explain/demonstrate how (given Garling;s definition of a bounded subset) that the statements:

$$\mid \mid x - y \mid \mid \le \mid \mid x \mid \mid + \mid \mid y \mid \mid$$ and $$\mid \mid y \mid \mid \le \mid \mid y - x \mid \mid + \mid \mid x \mid \mid$$

lead to the statement that:

a subset $$B$$ is bounded if and only if $$\text{sup } \{ \mid \mid b \mid \mid \ : \ b \in B \} \lt \infty$$ ... ... ... ?Hope someone can help ...

Peter

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It may help some readers of the above post to have access to the start of Garling's section on normed spaces in order to familiarize them with Garling's approach and notation ... so I am providing the same ... as follows:View attachment 8952Hope that helps ...

Peter
 

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$E$ is both a metric space and a vector space; the metric and the norm are related by
$$d(x,y)\ =\ \|x-y\|$$
for $x,y\in E$.

So if $B\subset E$ is nonempty – say it contains $c$ – and bounded, we have for all $b\in B$,
$$\|b\|\ \le\ \|b-c\|+\|c\|\ \le\ \text{diam}(B)+\|c\|$$
$\displaystyle\implies\ \sup_{b\in B}\|b\|<\infty$ (since $\text{diam}(B)<\infty$ and $\|c\|$ is a fixed number). Conversely, if $\displaystyle s=\sup_{b\in B}\|b\|<\infty$, then for all $b,b'\in B$,
$$d(b,b')\ =\ \|b-b'\|\ \le\ \|b\|+\|b'\|\ \le\ 2s$$
$\implies\ \text{diam}(B)<\infty$.
 
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Olinguito said:
$E$ is both a metric space and a vector space; the metric and the norm are related by
$$d(x,y)\ =\ \|x-y\|$$
for $x,y\in E$.

So if $B\subset E$ is nonempty – say it contains $c$ – and bounded, we have for all $b\in B$,
$$\|b\|\ \le\ \|b-c\|+\|c\|\ \le\ \text{diam}(B)+\|b'\|$$
$\displaystyle\implies\ \sup_{b\in B}\|b\|<\infty$ (since $\text{diam}(B)<\infty$ and $\|c\|$ is a fixed number). Conversely, if $\displaystyle s=\sup_{b\in B}\|b\|<\infty$, then for all $b,b'\in B$,
$$d(b,b')\ =\ \|b-b'\|\ \le\ \|b\|+\|b'\|\ \le\ 2s$$
$\implies\ \text{diam}(B)<\infty$.
Thanks for the help Olinguito ...

But ... just a clarification ...

You write: $$\|b\|\ \le\ \|b-c\|+\|c\|\ \le\ \text{diam}(B)+\|b'\|$$

Did you mean $$\|b\|\ \le\ \|b-c\|+\|c\|\ \le\ \text{diam}(B)+\|c\|$$ ... ... ?
Thanks again ...

Peter
 
Yes, I did. I’ve fixed the post now.
 
Olinguito said:
Yes, I did. I’ve fixed the post now.

Thanks again for your help ...

Peter
 
Olinguito said:
$E$ is both a metric space and a vector space; the metric and the norm are related by
$$d(x,y)\ =\ \|x-y\|$$
for $x,y\in E$.

So if $B\subset E$ is nonempty – say it contains $c$ – and bounded, we have for all $b\in B$,
$$\|b\|\ \le\ \|b-c\|+\|c\|\ \le\ \text{diam}(B)+\|c\|$$
$\displaystyle\implies\ \sup_{b\in B}\|b\|<\infty$ (since $\text{diam}(B)<\infty$ and $\|c\|$ is a fixed number). Conversely, if $\displaystyle s=\sup_{b\in B}\|b\|<\infty$, then for all $b,b'\in B$,
$$d(b,b')\ =\ \|b-b'\|\ \le\ \|b\|+\|b'\|\ \le\ 2s$$
$\implies\ \text{diam}(B)<\infty$.


Just returned to this thread with another question ...

It has been shown above that $$\text{diam} (B) \lt \infty$$ follows from $$\mid \mid y \mid \mid \le \mid \mid y - x \mid \mid + \mid \mid x \mid \mid$$ alone ...

... so why does Garling mention $$\mid \mid x - y \mid \mid \le \mid \mid x \mid \mid + \mid \mid y \mid \mid$$ Help will be appreciated ...

Peter*** EDIT ***

Oh! The other inequality is needed for the converse ... sorry ... should have read your post more carefully ...

Peter
 
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