Bounded Variation - Difference of Functions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of bounded variation in the context of the function $f(x) = \sin x$ on the interval $[0, 2\pi]$. Participants explore how to express this function as the difference of two increasing functions, which is a requirement for functions of bounded variation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to find two increasing functions $h$ and $g$ such that $f = h - g$ for $f(x) = \sin x$ on $[0, 2\pi]$, noting the lack of examples in class.
  • Another participant suggests a potential approach by proposing $h(x) = \sin x + x$ as a candidate function.
  • A later reply discusses the variation function $V_f$ associated with $f$, suggesting that $h$ and $g$ can be expressed in terms of this function, specifically $h(x) = V(f, [a,x])$ and $g(x) = -f(x) + h(x)$.
  • There is a reiteration of the suggestion to use $h(x) = \sin x + x$, with acknowledgment of its correctness in the context of the problem.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the application of the variation function and how it relates to the decomposition of $f$.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to express $f$ as the difference of two increasing functions. There are multiple proposed methods and some uncertainty regarding the application of the variation function.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the functions and the specific definitions of bounded variation. The application of the variation function $V_f$ is not fully resolved, and the participants' understanding of its implications remains unclear.

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Define $f(x)=sinx$ on $[0, 2\pi]$. Find two increasing functions h and g for which f = h−g
on $[0, 2\pi]$.

I know that if f is of bounded variation in $[a,b]$, it is the difference of two positive, monotonic increasing functions. However, we didn't do any examples of this in class. Is there a way to choose these functions?
 
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At a casual glance and given that I know virtually nothing of Real Analysis, it seems the following wiki might help. My apologies if I am incorrect. :o
 
How about h(x)=sin x + x?
 
joypav said:
Define $f(x)=sinx$ on $[0, 2\pi]$. Find two increasing functions h and g for which f = h−g
on $[0, 2\pi]$.

I know that if f is of bounded variation in $[a,b]$, it is the difference of two positive, monotonic increasing functions. However, we didn't do any examples of this in class. Is there a way to choose these functions?

For this particular case, you find your answer above.

In general, if you let $V_f : [a,b] \to \mathbb{R}$ denote the variation function associated with $f$ (i.e. $V_f(t)$ is the variation of $f$ over $[0,t]$) then you can use $V_f$ to construct such a decomposition of $f$. Can you see how $h$ and $g$ may easily be expressed in terms of $V_f$?

P.S. It may be slightly clearer to say "non-decreasing" instead of "increasing".
 
Janssens said:
For this particular case, you find your answer above.

In general, if you let $V_f : [a,b] \to \mathbb{R}$ denote the variation function associated with $f$ (i.e. $V_f(t)$ is the variation of $f$ over $[0,t]$) then you can use $V_f$ to construct such a decomposition of $f$. Can you see how $h$ and $g$ may easily be expressed in terms of $V_f$?

P.S. It may be slightly clearer to say "non-decreasing" instead of "increasing".

In class we did define two functions to obtain the desire result. We defined them as..
$h(x) = V(f, [a,x])$
$g(x) = -f(x) + h(x)$

I guess I don't understand how to apply this. With the given function we'd have...
$h(x) = V(sinx, [0,x])$
$g(x) = -sinx + V(sinx, [0,x])$

I mean, obviously $f(x) = h(x) - g(x)$, but I didn't think this was all that needed done.
 
Klaas van Aarsen said:
How about h(x)=sin x + x?

Yes, thank you.

sinx = (sinx+x)-x
 

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