Bracket design stress formulae help

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mechanical design of a bracket intended to support a filter, focusing on the calculation of allowable shear strengths in the weld and the bracket itself. Participants explore various mechanical design considerations, including stress, deflection, and bending capacity, while addressing the challenges posed by the geometry and material properties of the bracket.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant emphasizes the need to consider deflection, bending capacity, and shear capacity, suggesting that the problem is more complex than initially thought.
  • Another participant points out that the governing stress for the given plate thickness is primarily bending stress, rather than shear or weld stress.
  • A formula for calculating the maximum allowable force based on plate dimensions and material properties is provided, with conditions regarding stress cycles noted.
  • Concerns are raised about the geometry of the bracket being poorly conditioned for bending, shear, or deflection, suggesting that relevant formulas should relate these attributes to the thickness of the steel plate.
  • Participants discuss the possibility of redesigning the bracket as a single piece to improve structural integrity and reduce reliance on welding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the primary concerns for the bracket's design, with some focusing on shear and weld stresses while others prioritize bending stress. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to address the design challenges.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of consensus on which stresses govern the design and the dependence on specific material properties and geometric configurations that may not be fully defined.

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hello everyone.

I am in desperate need of help from some mechanical design/materials engineers/students. I am an Electrical/Electronic Engineering student currently completing a project and require assistance on some mechanical design issues. I have searched numerous websites and books looking for formulae relating to allowable sheer strengths in both a weld and the bracket itself. It is a rough design so some of the variables such as plate thickness, materials etc are changeable. I am not worried about the normal stress values as this bracket will support a filter that weighs around half a pound. I require a formula to calculate the maximum allowable force shown at the point shown in the attached diagram, with regards to the weld (transverse fillet?) and the materials properties (mild steel or similar around 0.2mm thick if the calculations allow). Any help would be greatly appreciated, I am pulling my hair out at this :-)

Jonathan
 

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You need to consider (1) deflection (2) bending capacity (3) shear capacity; and the failure could be (A) in the horizontal plate (B) in the weld or (C) in the near vertical support. So the problem is a bit bigger than you thought. With 0.2 mm thick I would look at deflection first D=PL^3/3EI
If the combined throat thickness of the welds is at least equal to the thickness of the thinner steel plate, then you can probably not worry about it, provided the weld is achieved by an accredited welder, rather than an amateur. The shear case is complicated because in a rectangular section there is a significant reduction of bending strength due to the presence of shear force. It's too complicated to describe in a quick answer like this. Bending the edges of the horizontal plate down at 90 degrees to form an upsidedown U section would improve the design a lot.
 
Thanks for your reply, basically I'm not actually manufacturing the bracket, I'm just constructing the idea of it with an emphasis on the project development side, but i am requires to provide evidence of further learning. I was looking at maximum allowable force because this bracket has to overcome issues with an existing bracket that sheers when any accidental downward force is applied to it i.e a heavy technician leaning on it while changing a filter. Are you aware of anything along them lines?
 
The basic problem is that the geometry is not well-conditioned for bending, shear, or deflection. Your further learning would be enhanced if you had a good idea from relevant formulas how those three attributes depend on the thickness of the steel plate to some power.
 
The geometry suits the current installation which is on a vacuum pump, otherwise the design would be different. Formulae for calculating the thickness of metal required to cope with deflection bending and stress would be exactly the kind i need, sorry to be a pain, its obvious this is not my forte
 
jonnyjames1985: As stated in your given problem, stress is the issue here, not deflection. Furthermore, in your particular problem, shear stress and weld stress do not appear to govern. For a plate thickness on the order of the value given in post 1, the governing stress is only the plate bending stress.

Therefore, the maximum allowable force (V) that can be applied at the point shown in your diagram is, V = 0.1667*b*(t^2)*Sta/L, where L = plate length (mm) (i.e., the distance from the weld to force V), b = plate width (mm), t = plate thickness (mm), and Sta = allowable normal stress = 167 MPa. Force V is in units of Newtons (N). This assumes the plate will be subjected to relatively few stress cycles. If you instead want the plate to be subjected to a large number of stress cycles, you perhaps could change Sta to Sta = 125 MPa.
 
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You can add a bend to your "shelf" and then connect it to the main body with screws, I usually prefer to avoid welding for connecting different parts like yours.
I think that the best (and cheapest) option is to redesign this part as a single piece sheet metal part.
 

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