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The discussion revolves around questions related to heat transfer and thermodynamics, specifically addressing scenarios involving temperature, thermal equilibrium, and the effects of heat on the human body. Participants explore theoretical and practical implications of these concepts.

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  • One participant questions why they can place their hand in a 200°C oven without injury, suggesting that the air inside, also at 200°C, should cause harm through vaporization of heat.
  • Another participant explains that heat transfer occurs through conduction, convection, and radiation, noting that radiation is the primary mechanism when inserting a hand into the oven.
  • A participant raises a question about why the sun does not reach thermal equilibrium with Earth, referencing the zeroth law of thermodynamics.
  • One response mentions that the Earth is in dynamic equilibrium with both the sun's high temperature and the much colder cosmic microwave background radiation.
  • There is a discussion about the effects of adding cream to hot coffee to maintain its temperature, with an invitation for further exploration of this scenario.
  • A later reply emphasizes the distinction between heat and temperature, explaining that heat transfer rates vary significantly between different states (e.g., air vs. water) despite similar temperature differences.
  • Another participant questions the initial explanation regarding the hot air's effect on their hand, seeking a physics-based rationale for the observed safety.

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Participants express differing views on the mechanisms of heat transfer and the implications of temperature versus heat. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives on the questions raised.

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Some participants highlight the need for clarity in terminology, particularly the distinction between heat and temperature, and the dynamics of heat transfer mechanisms. There are also unresolved assumptions regarding the effects of hot air and the conditions under which thermal equilibrium is achieved.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and enthusiasts of physics, particularly those exploring concepts of thermodynamics and heat transfer in practical scenarios.

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all are open to those who like to brain storming like me in physics question...i'm a physics degree student...and you are please welcome and try and comment to me if any...

1. inside an just used oven the temperature is 200*c...
you can put your hand into the oven without and injury you got as long as you didn't touch anything inside the oven...
but the questions is since the air inside the oven also have a 200*c of temperature,but why you hand wouldn't get hurt by the vaporisation of heat of those air...?

2. the sun surface has about 5800k temperature...
according to the zeroth law of thermodynamics,objects always wanted to comes to a point at which is thermal equilibrium...but why the sun do not have thermal equilibrium process with Earth ?

3. a person pours the hot cofee to a cup and because she was so damn busy and she intend to drink it after 6 minute...so to keeps the hot coffee as hot as possible should her put some of the cream on top of the hot coffee or not ?...explain why or why not ?

this is very good brain storming questions for me...i found on books...hopefully you would shared your answer to me...and of course i would like to have shared with you all if you wanted...thanks for trying...welcome...
 
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Hi chinkitkit, welcome to PF

In the future it may be a good idea to use a more descriptive title for your thread. E.g. this one should have mentioned something to do with heat transfer since that is what all of your questions are about.

1) There are three mechanisms of heat transfer, conduction, convection, and radiation. When you stick your hand in the oven the primary mechanism is radiation, when you touch something the primary mechanism becomes conduction. Conduction is much faster than radiation in this case.

2) The Earth is also in thermal contact with the cosmic microwave background radiation which is about 3K. So the Earth's temperature is in a kind of dynamic equilibrium between the 5800K of the sun and the 3K of deep space.
 
DaleSpam said:
Hi chinkitkit, welcome to PF

In the future it may be a good idea to use a more descriptive title for your thread. E.g. this one should have mentioned something to do with heat transfer since that is what all of your questions are about.

1) There are three mechanisms of heat transfer, conduction, convection, and radiation. When you stick your hand in the oven the primary mechanism is radiation, when you touch something the primary mechanism becomes conduction. Conduction is much faster than radiation in this case.

2) The Earth is also in thermal contact with the cosmic microwave background radiation which is about 3K. So the Earth's temperature is in a kind of dynamic equilibrium between the 5800K of the sun and the 3K of deep space.
thanks...and sorry to the mistake i did...i apologize for that...because I'm new to here to this physics forum...and thanks for you discussion too...

but for the explanation 1...shouldn't the hot air gas will be attack our hand first...of course here i know that it won't be any hurt but i ignore all those common sense and trying to using physics law to explain this...?
 
Remember the distinction between heat and temperature. Heat is a transfer of energy from a body at a higher temperature to a body at a lower temperature. Heat is measured in Joules, not Kelvin. For a given difference in temperature, different mechanisms of heat transfer will be faster or slower. For example, you can die by hypothermia after one hour in 10ºC water, but 10ºC air for one hour will only make you uncomfortable. The temperature difference between body temperature and the air or water is the same, but the heat transfer is much more rapid in the water.

Similarly with your example of the oven, the air is high temperature, but the heat transfer rate to your hand is low. The metal in the oven is also a high temperature, but upon contact the heat transfer rate is very high. On the other hand, if you were to stick your head into the oven and inhale a lung-full of the hot gas you would greatly increase the heat transfer rate of the air and quickly damage yourself.
 

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