Breaking the Law of Conservation of Energy

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of a basketball when dropped and its subsequent bounce, specifically addressing why it does not return to its original height and how this relates to the Law of Conservation of Energy.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the energy transformations involved in the drop and bounce, considering kinetic energy, gravitational potential energy, and elastic potential energy. Some express confusion about the role of thermal energy and other forms of energy in this context.

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Several participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning the forms of energy involved and discussing the implications of energy loss during the bounce. There is a recognition of thermal energy's potential role, although some participants feel uncertain about its significance.

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Participants note varying levels of familiarity with the topic, with some indicating they are only studying basic physics concepts. There is mention of classroom rules regarding attempts before receiving help.

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When a basketball is dropped then bounces up it reaches 0 kinetic energy, but it doesn't reach original height it was dropped from. Why does this not violate the Law of Conservation of Energy?
 
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Skizor1337 said:
When a basketball is dropped then bounces up it reaches 0 kinetic energy, but it doesn't reach original height it was dropped from. Why does this not violate the Law of Conservation of Energy?

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It's a fun problem -- that do you think is going on?
 
I think its because when the ball bounces back up since it has elastic potential energy. But it doesn't reach the same height it was dropped from because it loses kinetic energy and also gravitational potential.
 
Skizor1337 said:
I think its because when the ball bounces back up since it has elastic potential energy. But it doesn't reach the same height it was dropped from because it loses kinetic energy and also gravitational potential.

Um, no. What different forms of energy are involved in the ball drop and bounce. Think of other forms beyond simple PE and KE...
 
the only other i can think of is thermal but that's on a very small scale. And its not rotational even though it is a ball. I'm kinda stuck on this question
 
Skizor1337 said:
the only other i can think of is thermal but that's on a very small scale. And its not rotational even though it is a ball. I'm kinda stuck on this question

Yes there is some thermal energy change involved? What all heats up from the motion and bouncing? What else would be different if you were bouncing the ball in a vacuum?
 
Im only in Physics not AP. i haven't gotten into depth about things like that. were only in basic. But the teacher said thermal was not a huge factor
 
Do you hear when the ball hits the ground? :)

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