Brightness of light & light model

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The discussion revolves around the nature of light, specifically addressing its wave-particle duality, the relationship between brightness and photon count, and the definitions of related terms in the context of electromagnetic radiation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether "light" refers to all electromagnetic radiation or just visible light, noting that all electromagnetic radiation consists of photons.
  • There is a discussion about whether radio waves are transmitted in the form of photons, with references to the wave-particle duality of all matter.
  • One participant asserts that brightness in visible light is dependent on the number of photons in the light stream, rather than the amplitude of the wave.
  • Another participant suggests that while brightness is related to the number of photons per second, it also depends on the wavelength due to the sensitivity of the human eye to different colors.
  • A later reply indicates that the relationship between photon number and field amplitude is complex, and suggests that "intensity" may be a more appropriate term than "brightness" in this context.

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Participants express differing views on the definitions and relationships between brightness, photon count, and amplitude, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved definitions regarding "brightness" and "intensity" in radiometry, and the discussion includes assumptions about the sensitivity of human vision to different wavelengths.

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I have been wondering
1. We know that light has a wave-particle duality. Does the "light" here mean electromagnetic radiation, or just visible lights?

2. If it EMR exhibits wave-particle duality, does that mean radio waves are transmitted in form of photons?

3. and finally, I was reading through one of the posts and quoted:
In visible light amplitude is brightness and frequency is color

Isn't the brightness in visible light dependent on the number of photons the stream of light has? (not the amplitude)

Thank you very much!
 
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v_bachtiar said:
I have been wondering
1. We know that light has a wave-particle duality. Does the "light" here mean electromagnetic radiation, or just visible lights?
All electromagnetic radiation is made of photons, either small high energy ones in x-rays or long low energy ones in radio waves.

In fact all matter has a wave-particle duality it's just that the wavelength depends on the momentum of the object. For real world objects like a tennis ball the momentum is large enough that the wavelength is very small - so we only see the effect with very small objects like photons and sub-atomic particles.

[/QUOTE]Isn't the brightness in visible light dependent on the number of photons the stream of light has? [/QUOTE]
It depends on the number of photons/sec. However brightness for something seen by your eye also depends on the wavelength since your eye is more sensitive to certain wavelengths (colors).
 
Since the brightness is dependent of the number of photons per sec

So the amplitude of the wave doesn't do anything?
 
Photon number is non-conserved, so connecting the number of photons to the field amplitude is non-trivial. "Brightness", in addition, has a specific definition in radiometry that is different from how the term is being used here. "Intensity" or would be a better term.
 

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