Brownian Motion - "no inertia"

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of Brownian Motion as it relates to Langevin Dynamics, particularly focusing on the interpretation of "no inertia" and the conditions under which the average acceleration is set to zero. Participants explore the implications of these concepts in the context of the overdamped limit and the relationship between friction and acceleration.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the assumption of "no inertia" when setting the average acceleration to zero, suggesting that this could imply infinite inertia.
  • Another participant clarifies that zero average acceleration does not equate to zero acceleration, challenging the initial interpretation.
  • A further response emphasizes that zero average acceleration does not imply infinite mass, thus disputing the notion of infinite inertia.
  • Concerns are raised about the terminology used, specifically why the limit of high friction is associated with zero average acceleration.
  • One participant notes that neglecting the term ##m \ddot{x}## in the Langevin equation leads to the characterization of Brownian motion, questioning the definition of Brownian motion itself.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of the overdamped limit, explaining how large γ leads to rapid velocity equilibration and the factorization of the joint probability distribution into stationary and time-dependent components.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of "no inertia" and the conditions leading to Brownian motion, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions of inertia and Brownian motion, as well as the implications of setting average acceleration to zero in the context of Langevin Dynamics.

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Greetings,

I currently work my way through Langevin Dynamics which, in a certain limit, becomes Brownian Motion.
I refer to this brief article on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownian_dynamics

I understand the general LD equation given there. In order to obtain Brownian Dynamics, one sets the net acceleration (to be precise, its average) to 0 and reorganizes the equations. I don't really see how this is an assumption of "no inertia". If inertia is the resistance of mass against acceleration, than zero acceleration (independently of the applied force) should correspond to infinite inertia, should it not?
 
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0 average acceleration is not the same as 0 acceleration.
 
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I know, but how does this answer my question?
 
0 acceleration would indeed imply infinite mass, but it is not 0 acceleration. It is 0 average acceleration, which in no way implies infinite mass.
 
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Fair enough, so infinite inertia would be false. However, I still don't see why it is called "no inertia". On the same note, I don't see why it is called the "high friction" limit. Why is ##\gamma \rightarrow \infty## the same as setting the average acceleration to zero?
 
It's just neglecting the term ##m \ddot{x}## against the other terms in the equation. What I don't understand is, why they call this "Brownian motion". For me Brownian motion is the motion described by the full Langevin equation (usually without external forces).
 
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This is usually called the overdamped limit. In this case γ is large enough so that the velocity equilibrates very rapidly so you can set dv/dt=0 to find the behavior at long times. The joint pdf p(x,v) then factorizes into a stationary Maxwellian distribution for p(v) times a time dependent distribution p(x(t)) approaching a diffusion process.
 
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