Bucklig: deflection at Euler load

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of horizontal deflection in a vertical clamped beam subjected to both horizontal and vertical forces. Participants explore the implications of applying a vertical load greater than the Euler buckling load and the expected behavior of deflection under such conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their approach to calculating deflection, expecting divergence when the vertical load exceeds the Euler buckling load, but finds convergence instead.
  • The same participant questions whether their method for calculating deflection under loads smaller than the Euler buckling load is appropriate.
  • Another participant notes that traditional Euler buckling formulas assume axial loads only and suggests that the scenario involves a beam-column situation, indicating that modifications to the Euler critical load may be necessary due to simultaneous lateral and axial loads.
  • A later reply references an article discussing the effects of axial loads on the deflection of laterally loaded members, suggesting further reading on the topic.
  • A participant expresses gratitude for the clarification regarding the applicability of Euler buckling in their situation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the appropriate method for calculating deflection in the described scenario, with some uncertainty regarding the application of Euler buckling principles to beam-columns under combined loading conditions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the assumptions made regarding the application of Euler buckling formulas and the need for modifications when lateral loads are present. There is also an acknowledgment of the unrealistic nature of the load values used in the calculations.

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Hello

I was trying to calculate the horizontal deflection of the free end of vertical clamped beam. The beam would be loaded at the free end with a horizontal force H and a vertical force P. My idea was to calculate an initial deflection due to the force H. Then calculate the additional deflection due to the previous deflection and the force P. I'd expect that when the force P is bigger than the Euler buckling load that the deflection would diverge but that's not happening when I try to calculate this.

I tried it on a beam with a length L of 6 m, stiffness EI = 1476600 Nm^2 (E=69 GPa, I=2140 *10^4 mm^4, H=1 kN. I calculated that the Euler buckling load P_{cr}=(Pi)^2EI/(2L)^2=101,20 kN and used a way bigger P=5000 kN.

For the initial deflection I used v_0=(1/3EI)HL^3=4,87607 *10^{-5} m. For the next iteration steps I used v_i=v_0 + (1/3EI)L^2P*v_{i-1} which eventually converges to v=5,08259 * 10^{-5} m instead of diverging.

I know 5000 kN isn't a realistic value and that the beam would probably yield with such a high load but shouldn't this diverge?

Also for loads smaller than the Euler buckling load, is this the right way to calculate the deflection? If not what would be a good way then?

Thanks in advance
 
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Jef124 said:
Hello

I was trying to calculate the horizontal deflection of the free end of vertical clamped beam. The beam would be loaded at the free end with a horizontal force H and a vertical force P. My idea was to calculate an initial deflection due to the force H. Then calculate the additional deflection due to the previous deflection and the force P. I'd expect that when the force P is bigger than the Euler buckling load that the deflection would diverge but that's not happening when I try to calculate this.

I tried it on a beam with a length L of 6 m, stiffness EI = 1476600 Nm^2 (E=69 GPa, I=2140 *10^4 mm^4, H=1 kN. I calculated that the Euler buckling load P_{cr}=(Pi)^2EI/(2L)^2=101,20 kN and used a way bigger P=5000 kN.

For the initial deflection I used v_0=(1/3EI)HL^3=4,87607 *10^{-5} m. For the next iteration steps I used v_i=v_0 + (1/3EI)L^2P*v_{i-1} which eventually converges to v=5,08259 * 10^{-5} m instead of diverging.

I know 5000 kN isn't a realistic value and that the beam would probably yield with such a high load but shouldn't this diverge?

Also for loads smaller than the Euler buckling load, is this the right way to calculate the deflection? If not what would be a good way then?

Thanks in advance

I'm just taking a quick glance at the situation you are trying to analyze here.

The usual formulas for the Euler buckling load are derived assuming that the only force applied is applied in the axial direction. I think the situation you are describing here is for what is called the buckling of a beam-column, since lateral and axial loads are being applied simultaneously to the tip of the cantilever. The Euler critical load must be modified in this case over that calculated for a simple column with no loads applied in the lateral direction.

There are methods for analyzing such beam-columns, but it will take a little research to confirm what is required.
 
Further to the discussion in Post #2 above, this article discusses the effect on the deflection of a laterally loaded member caused by an axial load. See pp. 5-6 for a discussion of the effect:
 

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I didn't realize I couldn't use Euler buckling for my situation. Thank you!
 

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