Bug on a pivoted ring: rotational velocity

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The discussion centers on a physics problem from Kleppner and Kolenkow regarding a bug walking on a pivoted ring. The key focus is on the conservation of linear momentum and angular momentum, with the bug moving at speed v. The participants debate whether energy is conserved due to the friction required for the bug's movement. The equations derived for the system include -mv = m(v + V) + Mv and -mRv = -mR(v + V) + M(R^2)(omega), but the original poster struggles to match the book's answer, indicating a potential error in their calculations.

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Hi guys, this question is from Kleppner and Kolenkow, problem 6.3. A ring of mass M and radius R lies on its side on a frictionless table. It is pivoted to the table at its rim. A bug of mass m walks around the ring with speed v, starting at the pivot. What is the rotational velocity of the ring when the bug is halfway around the pivot?

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We will take the bug to be moving to the left at speed v initially. I would like to ask you guys a few questions. First: which quantities are conserved? It seems obvious that total linear momentum in the x-direction is conserved. I would also argue that angular momentum is conserved, since the only external forces on the system are gravity and the normal force, but these create a zero net torque. I'm not sure whether energy is conserved. For the bug to walk around the ring, there needs to be friction between it and the ring; however, is this friction dissipative?

I have a second question: when the bug gets to the top, does it still have a velocity v (directed the the right) with respect to the ring, or not?

If I assume that only momentum and angular momentum are conserved, and that the bug still has speed v with respect to the ring, I get these equations:

-mv = m(v + V) + Mv
-mRv = -mR(v + V) + M(R^2)(omega)

where V is the velocity of the ring and omega is the angular velocity. I solve these equations for omega, and I don't get the answer in the book.

Where did I go wrong? Thanks in advance for all your help.
 
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Sorry for the late reply but I was looking for it myself just now and happened to find it!

It's problem 1173 in the Lim Classical Mechanics problems and solutions manual.
 

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