Building a Flying Car from Frisbie Aerodynamic Principles

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The discussion revolves around the concept of building a flying car inspired by the aerodynamic principles of a frisbee. Participants explore the feasibility of this idea, considering various aerodynamic factors and design challenges associated with flight mechanics.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a frisbee-shaped design could inherently incorporate the four rules of flight, proposing a layout with thrust mechanisms for lift and forward movement.
  • Another participant counters that simply attaching a frisbee to a car does not suffice to create a flying car, regardless of thrust application.
  • A third participant highlights the difference in aerodynamic requirements between a frisbee, which does not carry heavy weight, and a flying car that must maintain forward orientation and lift significant mass.
  • There is mention of a DARPA and Lockheed Martin project that explores attaching wings to vehicles, suggesting a potential design approach for a flying car.
  • Information is shared about the Boeing Gofly competition, which incentivizes the development of flying cars, indicating ongoing interest and efforts in this field.
  • A question is raised regarding the balance between human comfort and the aerodynamic behavior of a spinning frisbee, emphasizing the complexities of design considerations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the practicality of using frisbee principles for a flying car, with no consensus reached on the feasibility of the initial idea or the necessary design modifications.

Contextual Notes

Participants note various assumptions about weight, aerodynamic efficiency, and the operational mechanics of flight that remain unaddressed, indicating potential limitations in the proposed designs.

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Individuals interested in aerospace engineering, innovative vehicle design, and the application of aerodynamic principles may find this discussion relevant.

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How did you find PF?: I found PF because of a late night idea I had when I was bored, but I have no idea how to do it so I was looking up information when I came across this app.

I'm sure most of you guys on here know simple flight but the example of a frisbee and the 4 rules of flight gave me an idea for a flying car: on the bottom of this car it is frisbee shaped so it will naturally have all 4 flight rules, for the thrust to get the car in the air will be placed on the bottom (1 in the front and 1 in the back) and the thrusters that move the car forward is place in the back and the breaks use a thruster in the front of the car.
 

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Welcome to PF!

While its true, the frisbee embodies many aerodynamic flight principles just pasting it to the bottom of a car body does not make the car a flying car no matter how much thrust you apply.

Here's Sara Hummel's thesis on Frisbee flight that gets into its aerodynamic principles:

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...nxkZ3Jlc291cmNlczJ8Z3g6MWQ2ZWJmOWIzODYyNTdmNA

Here's some examples of flying cars for inspiration:

 
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What you are interested in is also very interesting to the military. Keep in mind that a frisbee does not need to lift any heavy weight, but it does have to work while spinning. That makes it very different from a flying car that weighs more and always points forward. So you should consider how to get a lot more wing facing forward. Here is an effort by DARPA and Lockheed Martin to attach a wing to various cargos, including a small jeep (more like a dune buggy). One thought is to rotate the wing so that it points front and back while the jeep drives.
 
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https://www.boeing.com/features/innovation-quarterly/2021/09/boeing-gofly.page

The Boeing Gofly competition offers a $1 million prize for a flying car that meets their criteria. The completion has been going on since 2017. The link is 27 months old, and the most recent I found. It says:
So far, 855 teams across 103 countries have vied for the $1 million grand prize. New teams are still welcome to join.

That means you too are welcome to join.
 
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Welcome, @Beginner1 !

What is your plan on harmonizing human comfort and maneuverability with the natural tendency of spinning frisbees to resist changes from the launch dictated trajectory?
 

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