Buoyancy of Balls A and B in a Swimming Pool

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The discussion revolves around the buoyant forces acting on two balls, A and B, of equal mass floating in a swimming pool. Participants are trying to determine which ball produces a greater buoyant force, considering the implications of their volumes and the conditions under which the buoyant forces are assessed.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore different interpretations of the problem, with some asserting that the buoyant force is determined by the submerged volume, while others question the clarity of the question regarding whether it refers to the current state or a hypothetical future state. There are conflicting views on whether the buoyant forces can be considered equal due to the equal mass of the balls.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning the assumptions made in the original problem. Some have offered guidance on the relationship between buoyant force and displaced water, while others are seeking clarification on the conditions under which the buoyant forces should be compared.

Contextual Notes

There is ambiguity in the original question regarding whether it refers to the buoyant forces when the balls are floating or when they are submerged. This lack of clarity is a point of contention among participants.

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Homework Statement


Balls A and B of equal mass are floating in a swimming pool, as shown below. Which will produce a greater buoyant force?

a. Ball A

b. Ball B

c. Force will be equal

d. Impossible to determine without knowing the volume of each ball

In the picture given, it is clear that ball A has a greater volume than B.

Homework Equations


Fbuoyant=ρwater(Vwater displaced)g=ρwater(Vball)g

The Attempt at a Solution


I attempted this problem in 2 ways and got 2 different answers (A and C)

How I got Answer A:

Ball A has larger volume so it is clear that the buoyant force is greater

How I got Answer C:

If the balls are floating, then

mg=Fbuoyant

Since both balls have the same mass, it follows that they must generate the same buoyant force since both are floating and have the same weight.

The correct answer is A.

Please help me out. I don't understand why my second approach is flawed. Thanks in advance
 
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CynicalBiochemist said:
Ball A has larger volume so it is clear that the buoyant force is greater
You do not show the picture, but I am guessing the ball is partly out of the water. The buoyant force depends on the submerged volume.
CynicalBiochemist said:
How I got Answer C:
If the balls are floating, then
mg=Fbuoyant
Yes.
 
I agree with OP. It’s C. The weight of the displaced volume of water will have to be mg.
 
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@CynicalBiochemist One thing the question doesn't seem to be completely clear on: Are they interested in the buoyant forces when both balls are submerged, or are they asking you to compare the buoyant forces when both are floating? ## \\ ## When they ask "Which one produces...?", they need to specify the circumstances they want you to consider, or the question is very ambiguous.
 
Charles Link said:
@CynicalBiochemist One thing the question doesn't seem to be completely clear on: Are they interested in the buoyant forces when both balls are submerged, or are they asking you to compare the buoyant forces when both are floating? ## \\ ## When they ask "Which one produces...?", they need to specify the circumstances they want you to consider, or the question is very ambiguous.
"Balls A and B of equal mass are floating in a swimming pool".
 
Chestermiller said:
I agree with OP. It’s C. The weight of the displaced volume of water will have to be mg.
Me too. But all you need is buoyancy force = mg. Sure, that force is also equal to the weight of the water displaced (Archimedes).
 
rude man said:
"Balls A and B of equal mass are floating in a swimming pool".
But the question says, "Which will produce a greater buoyant force?", and not " Which is producing a greater buoyant force?". They really would do well to clarify what are they asking the respondent to answer.
 
Charles Link said:
But the question says, "Which will produce a greater buoyant force?", and not " Which is producing a greater buoyant force?". They really would do well to clarify what are they asking the respondent to answer.
Not sure I appreciate the difference but then I only got about 3 hrs sleep last night! :smile:
 
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rude man said:
Not sure I appreciate the difference but then I only got about 3 hrs sleep last night! :smile:
The use of "will" implies a future behaviour rather than the present one, so under some other condition that needs to be specified; e.g., when pushed below the surface.
If the question has been stated exactly, word for word, in post #1 (@CynicalBiochemist, please confirm) then the omission of such a condition suggests it intends the present. On the other hand, the official answer suggests a changed circumstance.
 
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I can't see how you can consider changed circumstances, when the changed circumstances are not stated.
Perhaps they will be taken out of the water altogether.
 
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Merlin3189 said:
I can't see how you can consider changed circumstances, when the changed circumstances are not stated.
Perhaps they will be taken out of the water altogether.
We're trying to make sense out of what appears to be an incorrect answer that was supplied to the question. It appears they may have wanted the student to work a different problem than what they actually stated.
 

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